SBN Hypothetical Expansion draft
Like it or not; with extreme interest in Canada, a brand new building in Kansas City and the plum Las Vegas market sitting out there for whichever league is brave enough to come to it, the NHL's probably expanding sooner or later.
SB Nation is going around it's blogs to determine who each team would protect. The ground rules:
- Teams can protect either "1 goalie, 5 defensemen and 9 forwards" OR "2 goalies, 3 defensemen and 7 forwards."
- If you go the two goalie route, at least one goalie left unprotected must have played in at least 10 games last season OR 25 games in the last two seasons combined. One game = at least 31 minutes.
- Each team must leave unprotected at least one defenseman who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
- Each team must leave unprotected at least two forwards who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
- Players who have played in 49 or fewer games are automatically exempt and do not need to be protected.
Ground rules on drafting:
- Each expansion team selects 30 players. A total of 60 players will be selected.
- The first 26 picks are to be used on three goaltenders, eight defensemen and thirteen forwards.
- The final four picks can be used to pick a player at any position.
- Only one goalie or one defenseman can be selected from each existing team.
- Team must be compliant with the salary cap.
After the jump, let's debate who the Pens need to designate as keepers.
No offense to Brent Johnson, but I think we can all agree on the 1G option, which allows us to keep more skaters. It's not even worth debating, really.
One huge road bump might be this, for the defensemen:
- Each team must leave unprotected at least one defenseman who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
Since we are in the world of hypotheticals, the Penguins announced the bizarro-world signing of Shane Hnidy to a one year contract to add a veteran prescene as a 6/7 defenseman. This has nothing to do with the fact that Alex Goligoski would be exposed to the expansion draft had this transaction not taken place.
Are the Pens likely to add a vet NHL d-man in reality? Unknown, they might be comfortable going with Ben Lovejoy and Deryk Engelland as the #6 and #7 D. But they did sign Martin Skoula on 9/29 of last season, so it's impossible to say they aren't going to sign a veteran.
So I am sort of exploiting the system by making this hypothetical Hnidy signing, but doing so in a totally reasonable way that the team would 100% do to be able to protect a 25 year old puck moving defenseman who scored 37 points last year and has the potential to do more in the future. Those aren't the type of players that end up on an unprotected list, so I feel I'm keeping with the spirit of this thing.
Instead of a lot of polls, we are going to do this in the comments on who to protect and who to leave exposed for the expansion draft. Remember: any player who has played less than 50 regular season NHL games is in the clear, so guys like Eric Tangradi, Ben Lovejoy and all the other prospects are safe.
I think we can all agree the following people should be no-brainers:
Protected list:
G (1 of 1) : Fleury
D (5 of 5): Letang, Orpik, Martin, Michalek, Goligoski
F (5 of 9): Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Kunitz, Cooke,
No surprises or controversy there, that's the core of this team and all the slam dunks.
So now we need to hold on to four more players, the candidates:
-Tyler Kennedy
-Max Talbot
-Pascal Dupuis
-Craig Adams
-Mike Rupp
-Arron Asham
-Eric Godard
Remember contract situations and player's ages too- Talbot, Dupuis, Rupp, Asham will all be UFA's after this season, which may make them less valuable. Which three listed above do you want to see unprotected?
By the way, in case you were wondering, here's the players currently on the list for an expansion team to go after:
Unprotected list (for sure):
G: Johnson
D: Shane Hnidy (hypothetical signing), Andrew Hutchinson
F: TBD
Maybe Brent Johnson gets gobbled up, but it's pretty slim pickins for the 31st and 32nd NHL teams.
So make your cases in the comments for who to hold onto. To make it simple, throw out four names in bold (like my first comment will be) and then argue for why they deserve it. I'll go back and whoever the consensus/strongest arguments are, those will be the last three forwards we hang onto. Then we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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Protect:
Kennedy
Talbot
Dupuis
Asham
TK and Talbot are young, Dupuis is still a top-line forward, and I think Asham brings a little more to the table than Rupp or Godard.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
It's Easy
Isn’t this a simple question after you do all the work and break it down? lol
IDK how you believe Dupuis is a top line guy. He averages 13 goals a season and he’s played with some pretty good people I may say.
And Ya Las Vegas is a horrible place but GB loves putting teams in places they don’t belong sooooo
TK
Superstar
Dupuis
Asham
by Geno McFleury on Aug 30, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have said on this team he’s a top line winger and also a good PK’er. Definitely top 9 worthy.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
lol yes on this team he is…i wonder what the Pens would look like if say Hossa signed a 4 year extension…no cup? more cups?
by Geno McFleury on Aug 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep None
Id protect none of them. Every one of them is a fringe player and only ‘coveted’ because they won a cup with the Pens. TK and Talbot are players who have never lived up to the hype and expectation. Dupuis is Rico Fata 2.0
The only one id keep around is Rupp and Asham. Rupp is a solid player, a guy who can fight and score. Asham shows some good grit, can mix it up and not be a total liability in his own end.
That's rough
On Dupuis. He’s at least had two years of being decent, whereas Fata had one. Dupuis contributes a lot more defensively than Fata ever did as well.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
It's come to this?
A mock expansion draft ? We definitely need some Pens hockey if we are now left to these type of exercises. Well, here’s my two cents.
Protected:
-Max Talbot
-Pascal Dupuis
-Craig Adams
-Aaron Asham
So you’re gonna protect guys like Dupuis, Adams and Asham — all UFA’s after this season, and in Adams and Asham’s case, a sort of replacable plugger. Which lets an expansion team claim a 23 year old winger with some upside (and RFA years) in Tyler Kennedy?
I’d love to hear a defense of that.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Busted!
Sorry. I was just going threw the motions. My mind was on this Jagr Be a Player card up for auction on Ebay.
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I’know- I should take this stuff more seriously- but I really wanted that card, I’m a big fan of Dufex.
BTW, I original had Kennedy instead of Dupuis but didn’t want to look like I just copy & pasted from you (Hooks Orpik) so I made a thoughtless change.
So there you have it Brooks. Gotta go-got my eye on a Pinnacle Nifty50 set (amoungst others). ;)
Haha fair enough. Did you at least win the Jagr card?
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 31, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Yeah, It’s a 97-98 Pinnacle Be A Player – Take A Number. Those cards are absolutely beautiful. I already have the Gretzky and so now I’m thinking about putting the whole set together. I think it’s a 20 card set-no Mario in it though so that kind of make it a downer. Also working on a 93-94 Pinnacle Nifty50 set. There’s a cool checklist card in this set. Like I said- DUFEX!!! I love it.
Lol
I loved how you mocked the post, but did what it asked anyways….
It really needs to be hockey season again!
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Keep:
Dupuis
Kennedy
Talbot
Adams
may be a bit sentimental, but I’d like to see more of the guys from the cup winning team around:)
You have to see it for yourself...
I’ll go with the Razor on this one. I’m interested to see what Asham will do for us, but if it comes down to it, I’d keep the guys who got us there once already.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 30, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Las Vegas is never going to get a team for the simple fact that it is Las Vegas. It’s too much of a risk, and hopefully GB knows that. It would be too easy for a player to “run into” a bookie and start making deals. It won’t happen, and it shouldn’t.
"Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." -Jack Falla
Agreed, and honestly, I can’t see them really supporting a team. Way too much competition for the entertainment dollar in that town, in my opinion.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 30, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Adams – penalty kill, steady, solid; not spectacular but just solid and dependable
Talbot – energy. Has been clutch player many times. Needs to pick up this year, but I’d still go with him
Rupp – debated between him and TK. TK is younger and faster and has some potential upside, but I’m just not confident we will see it. Rupp is tough but has some hands and appears to be solid and a true team player in the locker room and on the ice.
Dupuis – fast and can score. Has some chemistry with Crosby and Malkin. Penalty kill
I just watched Toronto and Pittsburgh from Oct 9/2009. I’ll switch Rupp for TK. I’d forgotten just how quick and how much better TK was at the beginning of the season. I see the promise again. Let’s hope we see it this season.
Who won that game? I don’t remember..
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Pens, the score was 5-2 if I remember correctly
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by Sid the captain on Aug 31, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Sid had 2 PP goals in that game.
Do I have good memory?
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Definitely. When that guy is healthy, he’s a ball of energy. Fits in with this team perfectly.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Kennedy – you don’t let a young prospect go
Asham – I’d like to see what he can do
Dupuis – has proven reliable and has outperformed his expectations
Talbot – I guess. Younger than Rupp and Adams. Not gonna protect Godard ever.
Talbot helps with team chemistry so I wouldn’t hesitate protecting him.
That’s my list
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
ahem
That last sentence was worded weird..
I meant that’s who I’d pick too, with the same reasons (Talbot being the exception)
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Not sure if you want to keep the Koon
I mean, he is our best winger by far (not counting Staal/Malkin), but his contract is a bit of an albatross. Getting that off the books would give the Pens a lot more flexibility.
Of course, his contract is up after this year, and I doubt he’ll get 3.75 again, so the Pens might resign him for less, and then he’ll be more valuable.
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Interesting thought on Kunitz, but here’s another.
Which player are you going to sign to replace him that at about $3.75 million is going to give you 50-60 points (if healthy) and dominate on the forecheck?
Aside from over-paying in a trade to get a young player, I don’t see it happening.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 31, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
so do you think the Koon is worth 3.75?
I’m not sure who’s going to be a free agent next year, so I couldn’t really say who could/should replace him. The ideal replacement might be Kunitz himself, at 2.75 instead of 3.75
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Well of course I’d like him at $2.75 instead of $3.75. Who wouldn’t be better at a million less dollars?
My point was – look around at veterans with contracts of $3-4 million around the league. Who would be a reasonable trade for Kunitz on the ice?
-Jason Blake ($4)
-Mike Ryder ($4)
-Marco Sturm ($3.5)
-Jochen Hecht ($3.5)
-RJ Umberger ($3.75)
and so on
I wouldn’t trade Kunitz for any of those guys.
Looking at next year’s UFA class I don’t see anyone that would take $3-4 million that would be an upgrade either. Maybe Milan Hejduk, but that’s debatable.
Is Kunitz a $3.75 million dollar value? No, especially because of his injury history. But does his paycheck make him an anchor that prevents the team from getting someone better to take his place? I don’t think you can say that. It’s not like they can just drop Kunitz and sign Kovalchuck for equal dollars.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
of course they can't sign kovalchuk
not my point at all. My point is, his 3.75 comes off the books next summer. What do you do with that money? I don’t know who will be a free agent next summer, so I can’t make an informed guess. I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if they try to re-sign the Koon at a lower price.
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Talbot – Cause of 2008-2009
Kennedy – cause of this
Dupuis – Best forward not protected
Rupp – cause I like him and think he can put up some points and do all of the dirty work needed alon
Beyond TK & Duppers I don’t really have an opinion on the rest of the guys… Max is still unproven in consistency & the rest if the guys are more or less easily replaceable in FA or trades… Even if I love Adams & Rupper to bits.
Is it October yet?
Just so I never have to answer this again. I'm from Singapore so whenever you see me online, I'm either sleep deprived or just waking up.
One more thing.. you can add Houston to the list
Houston is a better sports market than KC and has an arena ready for a hockey team. I don’t see Hockey expanding to Las Vegas before Houston, KC and at least one more Canada team. Also, a lot of the Canadian cities that want teams have already had one and failed, which IMO hurts them.
Yes, but...
Much of the failure of, say, Quebec and Winnipeg stemmed from a brutal exchange rate in the mid-to-late 90s.
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
Also Quebec suffered from a lack of corperate support and that’s something that hasn’t changed afaik.
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by Sid the captain on Aug 31, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Houston is big… but can hockey be sold there better than say Phoenix or Florida… I don’t know.
Of course smaller Canadian cities like Winnipeg and Quebec have issues of their own so there’s no clear-cut favorite here
You have to see it for yourself...
Florida is not a good sports state.. unless it's football or college
I mean look at the marlins/rays.. and both of those teams have been VERY good at times and they still couldn’t draw a crowd.
Houston is in the top 10 in AHL attendance numbers and actually has quite a few Canadians living down here(being that it’s a good place to live if you actually want a job). So yea..
Phoenix on the other hand… not sure. I don’t really know much about the area and it’s sports teams and attendance.. but I did a quick search and AZ is in the bottom 1/3 in attendance in both Football and Baseball, so I’m going to say that Houston is a better sports town than Phoenix.
Houston might be a better sports town, but in defense of Phoenix their attendance seemed to be pretty good back when they had a nice, accessible downtown location. I stopped going to games when they moved out to the boonies. Just couldn’t justify driving that far to watch games not involving the Pens.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 31, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah…forgot about the Winter Texans, Stos Bro.
They would definitely help attendance in Houston should they get an NHL team.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
I’d be difficult because Houston is so spread out (geographically). This is coming from a Texan here and I don’t even know if it would work.
But…I’ll tell you one thing: it sure is big enough to hold an NHL team.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Godard can protect himself. That is all.
by Live Chickens on Aug 30, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
well played, indeed.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 30, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re saying a hypothetical Canadian team can STEAL OUR PLAYERS?
This is horrible! No! No expanding!
never change, please.
we're not trading jordan staal.
by katielynn906 on Aug 30, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re in ur leaguez, stealin ur playerz. =]
Look upon my 62% faceoff win rate, ye mortals, and despair!
Ground rules and goalies
Who decided that an extra goalie was worth 2 D and 2 F anyway?
Doesn’t really matter. Why would anyone go the 2 goalie route? If you protect your top guy, then what are the odds that any of your other goalies played 49 games or more last season?
- Players who have played in 49 or fewer games are automatically exempt and do not need to be protected.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 30, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
That means players who have played 49 or fewer games TOTAL.
And, well, before they dealt Halak I would say Montreal is a team that might go the two goalie route. They are out there. I’m not saying it would be smart, I’m just saying there are some teams who might do it.
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Doh!
Thanks for clarifying that for my obviously tired mind.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Aug 31, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Kennedy should be on the first line....hmmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkX8Nzm4_p4
I’ll never forget watching that game just beautiful hockey
That’s just one goal, but one of the prettiest I’ve ever seen.
You know it’s great when a former Selke finalist gets the puck taken away from him and an 1001 time Norris award winner gets the puck passed in between his legs for the easy tap in.
So when's October you ask? Well, here's your answer.
Keep
Talbot – You have to keep superstar
TK – He still has RFA eligibility
Rupp – Gritty with hands
Asham – would like to see what he can do
Really?
I cant believe the number of people omitting TK. I cant see how you can pick Rupp over TK….crazy
- TK
- Dupuis
- Asham
- Talbot I guess…..
question
Hooks, I think the idea about the hypothetical Hnidy signing is great, but how about the rules of the SBN mock expansion draft… are such signings allowed? or do we have to stick to current rosters? Cause if we have to do this then, you know, Gogo is a goner…
You have to see it for yourself...
TK Prospect with potential. Still RFA eligible.
Dupuis 2nd best winger on the team. Always works his heart out. Solid two-way game. Plays on the PK.
Talbot Big game guy, he’s there when it matters the most. Still young. Plays on the PK. Locker room presence.
Adams Will do whatever is necessary to win. There’s a reason he was on the ice in the dying seconds of our last game 7 against Detroit. Very cheap contract. Plays on the PK.
While I’d like to see what Asham can do, he’s new and unproven (to us).
Gotta love Rupper, but we’ll just have to hope he won’t be snatched away.





















