Can't Count On the Trade Deadline?
With the trade deadline rapidly approaching (yeah, I know, it will still be approaching for the next month and a half), and some fairly well-known names (Langenbrunner, Wolski, Rozsival, Brunnstrom) finding new homes, I figured I'd try to get the discussion started for us, if indeed there is a discussion to be had.
As with the past few trade deadlines, the Pens are going in stacked at center, and excellent in goal. Unlike some of those deadlines, we would seem have no need for any help on defense now. If we're going to make any rental acquisitions to improve our scoring depth, it looks like it's going to have to come on the wing.
...So. I went through this nice list of next summer's FA's, assuming I'd find some good options languishing away on terrible teams. And, well...I found Matt Moulson? That's pretty much it. As far as I can make out, every other possible rental is either on a competing team, or is not an upgrade over the in-house scoring wing options. Heck, Moulson can probably be debated.
For once, then, I think I'm just gonna stop daydreaming about outside fixes, then, and just hope we get any improvement we need from Staal's return and (hopefully) Geno's revival. Because this just doesn't look like the year to rent. Thoughts?
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…and making them fit under the cap too.
He’ll figure it out.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
What is out there in terms of giving us some veteran depth on D? Anyone feel we need that, or are we comfy going in with what we have?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 14, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Possible movers might include Phillips, Brewer, one of the VAN D, or Hejda.
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by red army line on Jan 14, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, RAL.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 14, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Bieska
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by PensFanInDenver on Jan 15, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
VAN just has some extra D. People have been saying they may just leave Salo on LTIR for most of the rest of the season, so there’s that possibility, I guess.
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by red army line on Jan 16, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
The Canucks have some really good D and yes, I think Salo will be left on LTIR.
Plus, no one seems to want him to come back.
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by PensFanInDenver on Jan 16, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Phillips goes anywhere in the East.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 15, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
"What is out there in terms of giving us some veteran depth on D?"
I consider Orpik, Martin and Michalek veteran D. Yea we have some young defensemen, but we also have veterans… I mean, yea they aren’t old(Martin 29, Michaelek 28, Orpik 30), but they have all been in the league for a while…
We don’t need an old guy on the team just to get an old guy.
I agree we have some vets in our top four. I was just wondering if people were generally okay going into the playoffs counting on Engel/Lovejoy at #6/7 or if maybe there was someone out there that we might want to bring in just in case those young guys can’t handle the playoff pressure. Not old for the sake of old, but maybe for the sake of experience.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
And Engell doesn’t exactly have a lot of NHL experience, but I think he’s up there with the vets.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
personally I’m not too comfortable with going in the playoffs with Engo or Lovejoy as the 6th defenseman. They’ve done quite well this season, but they’re skating around 13 minutes per game and aren’t relied upon in pressure situations. I think if we keep this situation it could turn into a liability when the games really matter.
So I hope that RS at least takes a serious look at what’s available at the market.
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I don’t think Kaberle that good for Pitt. They’d need cheap, veteran depth guys to serve for injuries in the playoffs. Guys like Sean O’Donnell (not him specifically), who can log some minutes. They have a suitable puck mover on every pairing (Martin, Letang, GoGo).
The Penguins would be better served by picking up a scoring winger… surprise surprise. Peronally, I’m holding out for them to trade Kunitz + whatever for Iginla.
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but I just wanted Kabby to go to a nice place :P
Iggy + Sid together again would be awesome
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by PensFanInDenver on Jan 15, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I want to see Iginla and Crosby, nobody can deny the success Kunitz and Crosby has had this year. Kunitz is signed another year at (to me) a very reasonable price for the way he played this year.
As a side note, I don’t think Calgary wants to give Iginla up. And I don’t think Kunitz adn even say Tangradi would be enough to make the move.
by StripesForLife on Jan 15, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Kuni and Sid play ridiculously well together. We’re seeing what a healthy Kunitz brings to Sid’s line.
In my opinion, if we’re getting a winger, get one for Geno if the Staal thing doesn’t work out.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
if the Staal thing doesn’t work out.
If Malkin can’t get his act together when he’s paired with Crosby or Staal, we’ve got some serious problems on our hands.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 15, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If i’m Shero, the only guy I would move is GoGo if I dont’ think I can re sign him when his contract is up and I can trade him for some good forward help (or a good forward prospect).
Gogo doesn’t become a RFA until the 2013-14 season, so no problem there.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 15, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
GoGo’s last year is NEXT year, he needs a new contract for 2012-2013. If you trade him now you might be selling high.
He needs a new contract, but he’ll still be RFA. I don’t think the Pens would look to trade Goligoski now due to his contract situation.
Given Goligoski’s relatively decent contract number, it makes it hard to believe the Pens can bring back enough talent on a similiarly low contracty (to remain cap compliant).
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we need anything
I was looking at Moulson and noticed that not one player on the Isles has a positive +/-
The only person that is not negative Jurcina who has a 0 +/-
I don’t think we have any glaring weaknesses and yea our strength is center, but no way do we trade one of our centers away… and the centers I would be okay with getting rid of are pretty cheap and not going to bring anything to make us better in return. I say we stand put with what we have.
I think Gogo would make great trade bait this season. His value is very high right now, and I think it’d be in Shero’s interest to see what type of top six winger we could get in return for Gogo.
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Gogo’s cap hit isn’t very large, so getting a top six winger in exchange is kind of a lost cause there.
Besides, you really want our third defensive pairing to be made up my two rookies? I certainly don’t.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Gogo’s cap hit doesn’t matter, it’s his talent that other GM’s will want. Gogo is a really talented defensemen with great numbers this season and a lot of potential. I’d be very surprised if no GM were willing to exchange a top six winger for him.
As to the bottom pairing, maybe we could get a veteran D for cheap, but I don’t think it’d be a huge deal as long as that bottom pairing stays sheltered.
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I think SG’s reference to the cap hit was more in terms of what to do if the guy we trade for is making bigger bucks than the guy we are trading away.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 15, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. He’s not making a lot, and we’re right up against the cap. No way we’re picking up not only a top line winger, but also a vet D or the limited amount of cap he woul clear up.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 15, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well we could dump Godard and maybe pull some other magic. Either way, If gogo isn’t part of our long term plans, Shero should trade him this deadline.
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why would the Pens trade Goose when they already thin at D (#s, not talent)?
also, who is to say that Goose doesn’t continue to progress next year?
don’t see him getting moved this year.
next year (his last under his current K), at/near the deadline, esp. if Despres and/or one of the other prospects (Strait/Bortuzzo/D’Agostino) are ready, then possibly-to-probably depending how ready
We have four defensemen locked up for at least another four or five years. If Shero wants to make it five, then fine, though I think four is enough, and I would start to shift our investments toward a long term solution at wing.
And I don’t see Goose failing to progress (i expect him to). But if he isn’t part of our long term plan in Shero’s eyes, he should be moved because his stock is very very high right now.
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Interesting topic.
Another problem is the lack of "sellers’. There’s probably only 6 teams out there with no hope of making the playoffs (EDM, CGY, NJD, NYI, OTT and TOR), Maybe FLA and CBS joins them soon, but other than that everyone else is right in the hunt and probably not going to look to shed a veteran NHL level player.
The bigger problem is the salary cap. The Pens are very tight to it and while they may be able to drop Godard via waivers, probably any move they do they might have to trade a player (Tyler Kennedy?) or be willing to risk a guy like Chris Conner to the waiver wire. And even then, those guys don’t make that much money. I don’t even think the Pens could acquire a guy like Moulson ($2.6 mill) if they dropped Godard ($750k) and traded away Kennedy ($725k).
But I could be wrong. IF they could retrodate Comrie’s LTIR to when he left the lineup, that would be a tremendous savings to the cap down the stretch, but I’m not quite sure if that is how it works. If that’s the case though, they probably could make a move and squeeze under.
Other potential rental targets (from teams likely to be out of contention):
—Alex Tanguay, CGY ($1.7 mill)
—Antti Mietinen or Andrew Brunette if Minn falls out of the race (both at $2.33 mill)
—Cory Stillman, FLA ($3.5 mil)
Tanguay could be intriguing, but he’s far from a “Shero player”, Stillman is a touch too expensive and so old that he looks shot to me, either Minnesota player could be a great addition though.
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Yeah, the way ltir works is you can exceed the cap by an amount. Can’t bank it, unfortunately.
Brunette I think would be a great pickup. He’s a little redundant with Kunitz, but he may work with malkin.
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by red army line on Jan 15, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Poor Tanguay
I liked him when he first came to the Avs; he really liked it here then got traded to Calgary. He was soooooooooo pissed!
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by PensFanInDenver on Jan 15, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
How could they lose Conner to waivers? Is he not on a two-way contract? I don’t think he has played well recently and Bylsma appearently doesn’t think so either as he has been seeing some regular time on the 4th line.
I think they really need to put Godard on waivers in order to save some space.
by StripesForLife on Jan 15, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
The two-way contact has to do with how he gets paid depending on whether or not he is in the NHL or AHL. Waivers depend on other things like age and/or number of games played, something like that.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 16, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Good rules of thumb: If the guy is on an ELC, he can go up and down without passing through waivers. If he recently cleared waivers, he doesn’t have to clear again to be sent down (coming back up is different). If he’s been in the NHL for a long time (say, a season), he has to pass through waivers.
And I wish EA would fix the waiver rules already.
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by red army line on Jan 16, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ponikarovaphobia
the Pens are 5th in the league in scoring,
and 2nd in goal-differential
they don’t really NEED to make a move
esp. not for these tired-looking options which are giving me Ponikarovaphobia
by Diomedes7 on Jan 16, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you could get killed for something like that here, GP!
it won’t happen, but i do like Parise’s heart and dedication even if his skill level is less than 71’s
even if his skill level is less than 71’s
How do you define skill level? Parise has some sick numbers the last 3-4 years.
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Observation? I don’t think you’ll find much disagreement that Parise is more a hard-work type of scorer, Malkin an ubertalented one. I don’t think “skill” here includes that, and I wouldn’t at all. Digging in the corners and getting garbage goals is a talent, but not “skill.” A skill, perhaps.
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by red army line on Jan 18, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
but i do like Parise’s heart and dedication even if his skill level is less than 71’s
Skill level doesn’t say a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.
I personally think there’s at least 20 guys more skilled than Sidney Crosby in this league but he’s the best in the world because he works his butt off and wants it more than anybody else.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I personally think there’s at least 20 guys more skilled than Sidney Crosby
Disagree.
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Disagree with your disagree.
So there.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree with your disagree on my disagree.
We can do this 87 times over :)
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We can do this 87 times to the infinity power over.
So there.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 18, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
He’s going to Law School so he would know how to sue someone!!! LOL
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by PensFanInDenver on Jan 18, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
esp. not for these tired-looking options which are giving me Ponikarovaphobia
If there’s an upgrade to be made, you have to look into it. The Pens are doing well now, but are you happy with top 6 wingers of: Kunitz, Dupuis, Malkin and ?
The Pens shouldn’t make a pickup simply to make a pickup, but they could use a good winger. We all know that Ponikarovsky burned them, but that doesn’t mean they should abandon a sound strategy that’s helped them to land guys like Roberts, Guerin and Hossa/Dupuis and go on Cup runs.
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If there’s an upgrade to be made, you have to look into it.
absolutely.
just don’t like any of the names being floated above.
how about Scottie Upshall or Justin Williams?
Upshall
the more i think about it, the more i like Upshall
his salary could fit
he’s a physical, Shero-type
can play either LW or RW
can bang AND finish
was on pace for 30 last year in PHX last year w/o a center the caliber of Malkin/Staal or Crosby
and, is rumored to be targeted by Philthy
I hate to see him going back to Philly. He always seemed to perform well against us.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 17, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Upshall’s a good thought. Phoenix just got a new owner though and may be in a better position to keep him. Also they’re right in the thick of the playoff hunt and would want to keep the player- the difference between making the playoffs and not revenue wise probably means more to them than the risk of losing Upshall to UFA.
But we’ll see. I do like the idea, other than injury problems Upshall is a good player. Upshall fits the Pens mold and has a reasonable enough contract to be an option. Hopefully Phoenix would feel the same way in a few weeks.
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All of this makes sense what with our stacked center postion, a solid d-core, and a tight slaray cap, but there is one reason we will go after a deadline winger, Sidney Crosby. I’ve heard from a few sites now that Crosby has been pushing for a scoring winger to play with, and we can’t hardly blame him. However that leaves Shero with a tough job, considering what we’ve already discussed a lack of wingers. Personally i would see if we couldn’t strike up a deal to swing Clarke MaCarthur our way. Only a 1 million hit and is putting up solid numbers in Toronto, of course so did Ponikarosky and we all know how well that worked out. It might be hard to pry him away from the Leafs, but I think maybe a player like TK and a mid round pick would entice Burke.
If TK is Tyler Kennedy, and that “mid round pick” is anything other than a first, you aren’t getting Macarthur.
Macarthur is an RFA so the Leafs (or any team they trade him to) would be negotiating from a position of strentgh. We also have a tonne of cap space, and Macarthur has said he wants to stay somewhere long term. He also has wicked chemistry with his linemates, and is only 25. Finally, even a first from the Penguins is probably going to end up 20th overall, and could very well be 30th. There are other teams who need a guy like Macarthur; Phoenix could give us a prospect like Brandon Gormley.
You don’t trade a young, cheap RFA who can play in the top 6 for a grinder and a mid-round pick. So the asking price for Macarthur would probably start with Tangradi and include a second or first.
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It was just an off the top of the head suggestion, but it’s not like Toronto is known to have a steep asking price for players. But I think I’d be willing to give a first round and a prospect up for Macarthur, but seeing how its not looking likely i would like the aforementioned Scotti Upshall, or if we want to make an impact and trade some big numbers I’d love Loui Eriksson from dallas, but that is a long shot.
Jason Arnott
I heard a rumor on ESPN about Arnott being on the move this deadline. I’m wondering what people’s thoughts are on him? He’s a big two-way center that uses his size well. Right now, I don’t think Bylsma is going to change the Staal, Kennedy and Cooke line (though things could change quickly). When Crosby comes back, he will play with Kunitz and Dupuis. That leaves Malkin without any linemates. I think Arnott could play well with Malkin down the stretch.
by StripesForLife on Jan 15, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
He may be a decent fit, but I don’t think we could handle the cap hit. He’s making $4.5M a year, and the prorated cap hit would probably hover around $2M, which likely wouldn’t work. Good thought, though.
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I thought I read it was only $3.5, but regardless that is still pretty expensive for Arnott. Though, I will say the Pens probably have between $1 and $2 mil to spend due to the room they left to start the season and the Staal injury. Also depending on how the LTIR works, they could conceivable “save” money on Crosby, Comrie and maybe even Godard it they are crafty with the cap, which Botterill has proven he is.
by StripesForLife on Jan 16, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
LTIR only allows them to exceed the cap for the period of time the player is hurt. When the injured player returns, the salary cap must be met again like normal. Crosby’s situation doesn’t qualify.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 16, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ok guys, don’t kill me…I am looking at players purely for skill and ability here, and I am disreguarding current team…here are a few names I would like to see mentioned or attempted to be gotten…Moulson, Zherdev, Lenio, Hejduk, Knuble…top 2 would be Knuble and Lenio, if possible…again I know they are on rival teams, so the chances are slim, but hey a man can dream.
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If by “slim” you mean “not outside of your xbox/playstation” then I’d agree. Absolute zero chance Philly/Washington deal an impact player to Pittsburgh this season.
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Yeah I mean it is very wishful thinking, but outside of those few guys I mentioned the pickings are slim to none. Honestly tho, I mentioned over on TPB…maybe Comrie is the guy Malkin needs? Who knows though.
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by PensForTheWin on Jan 16, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Don't Trade Malkin
I heard a rumor of us getting Iginla and Regehr for Malkin?? Doesn’t make sense trade a 24 year scorer for a 33 forward who isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago (he isn’t a 50 goal scorer anymore) and a 30 year old defensemen??
I also heard the Pens and Sens working on a deal that could be done in February..
Why trade Malkin?? He has far better hockey ahead of him and they’ll never get equal value for him!! Remember Pens fans who say trade Malkin.. two names Mark Recchi and Markus Naslund!!
They don’t need to make a move now..
My team:
KUNITZ – CROSBY – MALKIN
COOKE – STAAL – KENNEDY
DUPUIS – LETESTU – TALBOT
RUPP – ADAMS – ASHAM
LETANG – ORPIK
MARTIN – MICHALEK
GOLIGOSKI – ENGELLAND
FLEURY
JOHNSON
Source? I don’t even know who those guys are…never trade Geno! About this time you need to see the Malkin flowcharts
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by PensForTheWin on Jan 16, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Love the lines.
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by PensForTheWin on Jan 16, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry last thing…WE DO NOT WANT RICK NASH! Why am I reading more malkin for Nash rumors? Nash is a joke…
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by PensForTheWin on Jan 16, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
He can’t fight haha for starters
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by PensForTheWin on Jan 17, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know that I’m comfortable have a bottom six set of forwards that might score one point every ten games or so.
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Lines are pretty good, but Sid and Geno have to be separated. I think those two games earlier this year proved that.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Also the trade was BS. Don’t believe the rumor.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
how's this?
if add Upshall (see above)
LW – C – RW
1 – Kunitz – Crosby – Upshall
1A – Cooke – Staal – Malkin
3 – Dupuis – Letestu – Kennedy
4 – Rupp/Asham – Talbot – Adams
Line 1 – Upshall bolsters scoring of already potent line
Line 1A – the Staalkin line means Ds can’t focus soley on shutting down the Crosby line
Line 3 – Dupuis bolsters defensive capability
If the Pens want to take on what’s left of Upshall’s $2.6 million salary, they’d probably have to deal a forward back (Kennedy maybe?)
But I like that lineup. Not thrilled about Cooke on the top 6, but the other two can carry the weight
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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 17, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
looks like Upshall’s cap hit is $2.25
but, yeah, they could deal a forward back
the problem isn’t depth — they also have Conner, Jeffrey, Comrie — its scoring punch
do you think Cooke would be better on “Line 3” and Dupuis on “1A”?
It’s probably a wash either way, really. Cooke has the past experience with Staal, but he and Dupuis score about the same number of goals.
Upshall and Kunitz are about the same player, maybe they split them up, with Dupuis staying with Kunitz/Crosby and Upshall joining Staal/Malkin.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 17, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say that about putting Upshall on 1A and keeping Dupuis with Crosby. That top line has been pretty effective.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 17, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
me three.
just thought the point of the exercise was to find a higher scoring winger for Crosby, yet don’t see the point of messing w/ success.
a line of Upshall – Staal – Malkin could be devastating!!!
Personally, I’d just like to see a top 6 boost and then they can see what works better if it’s with Kunitz/Crosby or Staal/Malkin.
I’m pretty much resigned to having Dupuis in the top 6 this season. I’d like to get someone a little more skilled, but I don’t see it happening. Even then, the coaches really like and trust Dupuis out there anyways, so for better or worse Sid’s probably got 14/9 for the season.
Unless:
Kunitz-Crosby-Malkin
Cooke/Dupuis-Staal- TRADE PICKUP
Cooke/Dupuis-Letestu-Kennedy
Adams-Talbot-Rupp/Asham
That puts a lot of pressure on the top 3 guys, as well as Staal + the trade pickup’s continued production.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jan 17, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry Hooks, but I think it’s been proven that Sid and Geno don’t mesh nearly as well as we all think. Sid works better with Kuni and Duper than he does with Geno.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree with you. When Sid was on fire, it seemed like Geno was taking away from that somewhat. However, going back to your comment above in this post, I’m not sure we can make the final call based on a two game sample. I remember times in the past where those two have appeared almost unstoppable playing together.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Jan 17, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, those times being when the teams is in desperate need of a goal. When the team’s down by one or two, sure, put the monster together for the third period. But I don’t they work together throughout a whole game.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jan 17, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I remember times in the past where those two have appeared almost unstoppable playing together.
I remember times in the past when Malkin appeared almost unstoppable :(
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by red army line on Jan 18, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of Scottie Upshall. I have always liked his game and he is a Shero guy, from their days in Nashville. If he is worth getting Shero will know.
I wouldn’t mind a depth defenseman because I don’t think Engelland is a playoff guy and Lovejoy can’t seem to make the lineup. Gogo needs a better partner and has played with those before mentioned players not because they are good fits, but by default.
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