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Ugh. It feels like I've been punched in the stomach.

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damn….the worse part about this that it was probably the accidental hit by Kunitz, which I am quite sure he’s not feeling too good about.

this is too depressing to even think about

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by Randy F on Dec 12, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t see how the Kunitz hit could have hurt his head, no impact from what I remember… if anything that hit would have hurt his lower body. and one of the articles I read stated specifically that it wasn’t that hit(granted, they would probably say that either way).

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by Stros Bro on Dec 12, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

correct ….no impact to the head…..however…the jarring motion could have triggered the minor symptoms. the interview Sid was giving that I was listening to via NHL home ice on my drive home he mentioned this incident.

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by Randy F on Dec 12, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t, it was the accidental elbow by Krejci.

Let's grind these bitches down!

by lostprophetRJX on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

why is anybody suprised?

this is what happenes when you get your bell rung. you become more susceptible, besides its only “symptoms” at this point. if he got another one from kuni’s accidental hit then we really need to be worried

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by oldtimehockey09 on Dec 12, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

IANAD, but...

What’s the difference between “symptoms” and a concussion? To me, it’s just the PR spin on it.

I mean it’s not like a virus where you either have the virus or you don’t. AFAIK “concussion” is just a generic catch-all for head injuries that cause a set of symptoms…

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yip

but if it was a full blwon concussion, can you blame them for trying to downplay it?

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by oldtimehockey09 on Dec 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

the difference is that he passed the ImPACT test with flying colors so the hit had no effect on his cognitive ability. The “symptoms” are headaches, dizziness etc. so if he’s only feeling one or two of the symptoms without any effect on his actual brain functionality, then he would have “concussion symptoms” and not a “concussion”

by NoVAPensFan on Dec 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Don't hate me for this comment ....

but IF Crosby’s career is over (ugh)…. he’s had a great career. It’s obviously a tragedy when someone gets cut down in their prime, but we shouldn’t feel too bad for him. He won a Stanley Cup and a gold medal at the olympics. There isn’t much that he hasn’t achieved in his short career.

Man do I hate this thought, but it’s what I have to keep saying to myself to prevent a meltdown.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Dec 12, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I’m with ya. I’ve also been thinking that if he has to be done, it means we can keep Malkin, Staal, and Neal for a long long time.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 12, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not expect a permanent retirement

Crosby is one of the most competitive players around.
I personally hate it when our building chants “crosby sucks”
It always fires him up and he goes to town.
What Im getting at is this, I do not believe Crosby has it in him to give up the game for good.
He is also very young.
He could easily take 3-7 years off and still come back and play 5+ years of elite hockey in the NHL
If only he had some kind of mentor he could turn to,
Someone with incredible athletic ability that had to overcome huge medical obstacles.
Someone who had to leave the game for a bit but was able to come back again and again……..

by Prometheus74 on Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

all of this is irrelevant if his balance gets thrown off every time somebody shoulders him hard.

grain of salt

by PaulMorel on Dec 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

all of the points you highlilghted

are also the same points that could in theory get him killed

" Lord Stanley, scratch their names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Dec 12, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

My concern is less to do with the impact this has on the Penguins and more to do with Sid. It seems like in the past year we’ve all become concussion experts, but, even in this instance, I’m not sure what the future actually holds for him. I thought the news was that he passed the ImPACT test shortly after the incidents in his last game, yet here we are holding our breaths expecting to hear Sidney Crosby has post-concussion syndrome again. I fear of the effects this can have on him, where it appears he can be susceptible to more and more concussions (Eric Lindros).

I greatly hope this isn’t the case for him, but I am fortunate that the Penguins seem to be head and shoulders above most professional sports organizations in this type of injury. Sadly, they are so because it has been happening with great frequency lately. I hope these symptoms pass, but, as you must expect, we won’t be seeing him until he gets back to 100% again. With concussions we’re never really sure how an individual gets back to that 100%. Fingers crossed that it is quick for him, but no one will rush him back (especially if this turns for the worse again).

Hope the best for 87.

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by Lavender on Dec 12, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

agreed that the Pens are handling the concussion issue the right way, unlike some other pro sports teams like the Browns.

still, it sucks. I think this might be it for Sid, if he felt 100% and got re-injured after 8 games…I mean, I don’t want the guy to be a walking zombie at the age of 30 (a la Lindros)

by mcnulty4prez on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He may have to re-work his deal with Reebok and start wearing a Cascade M11 helmet.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 12, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

I like your thinking. I’ve been fascinated with Cascade’s work since they entered the league, with the energy absorption/crumple zone style protection. I wonder if there has been enough high impact situations, with players wearing the M11 helmet, for the NHL to issue it to certain players. I suppose it is the same situation as visors, though. If people don’t want to protect themselves you can’t tell them otherwise.

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by Lavender on Dec 12, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote an article on it about a year ago, along with the MLX skates.

http://www.pensburgh.com/2010/10/10/1742989/evolution-of-hockey-gear

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by AlexStitch on Dec 12, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

Reebok will just buy them and keep the endorsement.

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by Stros Bro on Dec 12, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Good. Their Facebook is only at 1100 likes and they’ve been out for a good year. They need some help.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 12, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My understanding

The symptoms returning seems almost expected for me. They were gone but then he started exerting himself to a much more significant extent and they came back. Practice all you want, it’s still no comparison to playing high intensity (both mental and physical) games every other day.

I’m no expert, but it seems like the symptoms will always return. People who have had just one concussion in high school football (and never played football again) still have headaches that seem to be linked to concussions. The symptoms just return less frequently the further away from the incident you get.

Hopefully this is the case here and steps can be taken in the future (including crossed fingers) to avoid additional concussions.

by HoustonPA on Dec 12, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

I've even heard ...

… that bright lights cause symptoms to return. Would he have been practicing in the same bright lights that he’s playing in front of in a game?

Not trying to downplay the severity of this, I just don’t want to be too depressed about it. So just hoping for the best.

by HoustonPA on Dec 12, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote the same thing some place. It’s kind of like getting in a really tough workout- you usually won’t feel it the next day, but two days after is when you’re really suffering. So I agree, I’m not surprised that after a week of getting back in to an NHL routine, his body told him to slow down a bit again.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 12, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’re saying he should make his next return at Madison Square Garden?

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by GreenEyedLilo on Dec 13, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

precisely!

it’s like any sort of addiction. Part of the actual recovery process is relapse, which is why it’s extremely difficult for addicts to go “cold turkey”, almost all of them have a relapse which is to be expected. Not to say Crosby is addicted to concussions, but it’s unrealistic to expect him to all of the sudden come back after 10 months and be completely fine. Maybe the headache is just his body reacting to getting used to NHL action. Sort of his brain’s way of weaning itself back to NHL level physicality after spending an extended period of time away from any physical contact

by NoVAPensFan on Dec 13, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

not good news

frustrating as a fan…can’t imagine how frustrating it is for Sid…10 months out then finally makes return,then this…damn.

by ween on Dec 12, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling that this is being way over-hyped by the media. I’m not just trying to bring a positive feel, but I know what Crosby is going through. I had several concussions growing up playing sports and I bet only 2 of them were handled properly. For the first year after, bright lights gave me the worst headaches. Even the sun reflecting off the snow could keep me inside in fear of a day long headache. This may or may not be the case with him, but he’s doing a good job of taking himself out of dangerous situations – whatever he feels is causing his pain now.

He’s being cautious, which is very good. He should honestly think about taking the rest of the year off and letting time do what it does best. He’ll be back, though. He’ll be a beast and we’ll be able to raise a few more banners in his career.

Take care, Sid.

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by lolredwings on Dec 12, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

Really sad turn of events guys. Hopefully the Pens are just taking extra precautions (which would make sense). Last thing anyone wants is another Eric Lindros…

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Dec 12, 2011 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

I’m just as concerned with Tanger, Michalek, and Bortuzzo as I am with Sid. People don’t realize brain trauma never actually heals fully. Brain tissue doesn’t heal like the rest of the body does.

Let's grind these bitches down!

by lostprophetRJX on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

At this point

we just need to sit all these injured players down for an extended period of time and make sure they are good to go in oh about 3-4 months. If that means us being a little lower on the food chain for now then fine, but I would rather these guys with “head injuries” to really rest and be ready to go come playoff time then for them to be back for weeks at a time only to be out again for weeks at a time.

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by C Shint on Dec 13, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

Punched

in the stomach is right. I’m unsure what to think. Obviously I want Crosby to just be healthy enough to live a normal life, hockey aside.

Seriously though, it took 10 months for him to recover the first time. If he’s not A-okay now it’s hard to imagine he ever will be. Hope I’m wrong though.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 AM EST reply actions  

I’m speechless.

"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra

by cyroose on Dec 13, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

The Sad Truth

Hockey is turning into football. Gone will be the days of superstars being generation superstars. Everyones just an expendable number, your career is determined by your injuries. Running backs lasting 5-6 years for example and they have someone right behind you ready to take your spot.

Let's grind these bitches down!

by lostprophetRJX on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

FWIW

On SportsCenter late last night Barry Melrose related that Crosby says he still feels much better at this point than he ever did during the 10 month period. Also Melrose said Crosby passed the concussion test last Wednesday (I believe) but decided to take precautions. Melrose seemed cautiously optimistic that Crosby would be back soon.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 13, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

At what point does the league seriously look at equipment?

Regarding Sid, obviously he and the Pens are taking every precaution they possibly can. They fumbled the ball so to speak back in January when they put him back out for the 3rd period of the WC and had him playing vs. TBL a few days later. In retrospect that was a huge mistake. Sid’s long term health is the most important thing, as a fan the playoffs are the most important so as long as the Pens can hang in there with a bandaid, duct tape and bubble gum piecemeal roster as they did last year, they’ll be fine.

The NHL is doing a good job trying to address headshots, compare the thinking today to that of 2 seasons ago. or even pre-Sid injury. I understand there is a LOT more attention paid to these injuries and the well being of the athletes but is it just me or are there really a LOT more injuries? Head related especially. There is no correlation between the hard shoulder pads players wear today, the size and speed of the players and the play? There has to be. NHL can’t do much and of course shouldn’t do much about the size and speed of the game, that’s exciting, the equipment however…This is 2011 for cripes sake, there has to be better protective equipment for the user which is less dangerous for his opponent. MAke the investment in that NHL and fast track it. WAY too many STAR players sitting out due to injuries…That sucks for everyone.

by Dutch71 on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

WAY too many STAR players sitting out due to injuries…That sucks for everyone

Yep, not sure the NHL gets that.
At least not yet.
They are moving the right direction, but not quickly or strongly enough, imo.

by Diomedes7 on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing I've never understood ...

… for football or hockey, is why they make the helmets and the “pads” out of that hard plastic-type material. IMO, the helmets in football and pads for both sports should be made out of a rubber-type material that has some give.

I can think of no reason why the outer shell on a helmet or pads should be made of a material that hard. Using that type of material only makes sense when what’s hitting your helmet/pads is not another human being (e.g., it works for police shields because they are repelling rocks, bullets, etc.). But when your helmet and pads come into contact with another person, the material should have more give. Otherwise it does more harm than good.

I’m not scientist, but that’s my take on it. Sounds crazy, but I think the NFL was closer to where they needed to be when guys wore leather helmets.

by HoustonPA on Dec 13, 2011 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

In a helmet, the foam cushions the impact by extending the time of impact by mere thousandths of a second. The foam is obviously the crucial piece of the helmet. The outer shell serves seveal purposes. It’s primary objective is to contain the foam (but, a rubber shell could do the same). It also distributes the force of the impact. And, not to be taken lightly, the hard plastic’s main objective is to be as friction free as possible. Picture how a football players head would almost stick to the ground once he makes contact.

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Dec 13, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha, I listed two primary objectives. They are both important obviously.

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Dec 13, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see that and those objectives do make sense.

Also, the team’s logo looks better on the shiny surface.

by HoustonPA on Dec 13, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I do

think some of the new football helmets that are in development are being made with your idea in mind HoustonPA.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem in hockey which isn’t a problem in football obviously is the puck. Foam doesn’t stop a 90+ mph bullet, no matter how stiff. Farrell, who’s unique protection built with foam-blocks and design a lot of football pads, tried to port this to hockey and it doesn’t work at all.

And as Pensfan basically said, the difference between foam and plastic is basically non-existent during a heavy hit. It might make the hit slightly less painful, but as far as concussions at most this may very slightly reduce the risk of them resultant of a non-direct blow to the head/a whiplash injury. Any shot to the head isn’t going to make a difference. Really only one person right now is out as result of a clean, hard hit and that’s Mike Sauer on the Rangers after Phaneuf lit him up last week.

Let's grind these bitches down!

by lostprophetRJX on Dec 13, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

One of, if not THE main reason for a helmet

is reducing the impact of hitting the ice…

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by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Truly sad

the only game I’ve been to this year and it was Crosby getting hurt

by TJM5054 on Dec 13, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

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