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Now and Then: Is this year worse than last year?

So it's that time of year again, when it seems like one more player is lost to injury during every game. We experienced it last year when the Pens did that whole "hey, our coach should totally win the Jack Adams award!" thing, and the year before there was that stretch in the middle of November where Mark Eaton was the only regular NHL D in the lineup. Martin Skoula may have been in there too, but my sources are unable to confirm whether he fits into the category of "regular NHL D" or not. Either way, it was awesome.

This time we're back at it with a broken-body-parts theme: broken wrists, broken feet and broken heads.

In a recent post, ozman_fiftyone argued that "there is no distinct difference in games missed to injury over a season between current Head Coach Dan Bylsma and his predecessor Michel Therrien". In support of that argument ozman compared man-games lost to injuries over the last few seasons, along with a projection for this season based on what we've seen so far.

In this post I consider a related question: how does our current injury situation stack up against what we (okay ... they ...) went through last year?

Follow me after the jump for a wee bit o' comparison.

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During February 2011 the Pens were really in the thick of things, so I'll use that time frame for comparison with our current situation. And by "current" I mean "as of the middle of the Pens' December 16th game against the bleeping Ottawa frackahooligans when Paul Martin left the bench".

The first question is, obviously, who is missing from the lineup? Here's a list, along with their GP-G-A-P at the time of comparison:

Now (December 2011) Then (February 2011)
Sidney Crosby (8-2-10-12) Sidney Crosby (41-32-34-66)
Jordan Staal (28-12-6-18) Evgeni Malkin (43-15-22-37)
Kris Letang (22-3-16-19) Chris Kunitz (52-28-28-56)
Zbynek Michalek (14-1-3-4) Matt Cooke (54-10-13-23)
Paul Martin (32-1-9-10) Arron Asham (36-5-5-10)
Ben Lovejoy (13-0-1-1) Mark Letestu (50-10-10-20)
Richard Park (21-2-5-7) Mike Comrie (16-0-5-5)
Dustin Jeffrey (6-0-0-0) Eric Godard (17-0-1-1)
Robert Bortuzzo (6-0-0-0) Dustin Jeffrey (13-4-3-7)
Brian Strait (1-0-0-0) Eric Tangradi (14-1-1-2)
Nick Johnson (4-1-2-3)

All but the last three players on each list are what I will call "starters" for the Penguins -- or guys who are/were full time members of the Penguins' roster.

And here's a little more information about what we've lost:

All Players Starters
Now Then Now Then
Total Missing Players 10 11 7 8
Forwards 5 11 3 8
Defense 5 0 4 0
Goals/Game 0.14 0.30 0.15 0.30
Assists/Game 0.33 0.35 0.36 0.36
Points/Game 0.46 0.66 0.51 0.66

So last year we were missing quite a bit more on the offensive power side of things. But we already knew that. The discrepancy has everything to do with the fact that all of the players who were out last February were forwards while this year our injuries are split between forwards and backwards. And sure, Sidney Crosby is out of both lineups, but the offense offered by Geno and Kunitz just plain outstrips the offensive power we're missing when a hooligan and a model take some extra time off.

Now it is of course important to score goals, and when you're left with an aged Alexei Kovalev as your go-to guy in the scoring department, odds are you're going to see a lot of overtime and shootout action. But we all know that offense is only half the game.

Right now we are missing oh-so-much more on the defensive side of things: three of our top 4 D-men are out, plus a fourth regular starter in Lovejoy (le sigh), as is our very favourite sod farmer who scores the occasional short-handed goal. And they couldn't even get their acts together so that a regular pairing would remain in the lineup. No. The hockey gods saw fit to take one of everything, leaving the remaining guys to work with new partners. Not only that, but the concussed Bortuzzo and the elbows-don't-bend-that-way Strait are two of the most NHL-ready call-ups that we have on D. Their absence is straining the system, and it's starting to show.

[Edit: Just to add to the losses on the defensive side of things, it looks like Craig Adams (32-3-3-6) is out with a lower body injury, day-to-day -- as of December 17th.]

So what say you? Can we even compare the two situations? And if so, which is worse: this year or last year?

Poll
Which injury situation is worse for the Pens?
Now (December 2011)
32 votes
Then (February 2011)
17 votes
That one time when Martin Skoula was in the lineup, before he was traded to the Leafs-and-then-the-Devils
7 votes

56 votes | Poll has closed

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I think this season is worse, for 2 reasons. First, last year the team kinda rallied around their injuries. Unfortunately, I think there’s only so much a team can take before injuries start to take a mental toll, like, oh no here we go again.

Secondly, with 3 significant players out with concussions, and the new awareness there is with it, there’s so much uncertainty. Do I think we can win the cup without one of Crosby or Letang? I dunno, maybe, but we definitely can’t win without both. To be honest I’m more worried about Letang. The past few games have showed how much we need him.

If us fans are discouraged, I can only imagine what it feels like in that locker room to see guys hurt almost every game. I thought we might challenge for the Presidents trophy this year. Now, I hope it’s not just a struggle to make the playoffs.

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by GoPenguins on Dec 17, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

my thoughts exactly. Staal and Z should be back soon hopefully, but now with Martin out, it is going to be an uphill battle. Despres and Picard have played well, but they can’t expect these guys to play major minutes. Letang’s absence has really affected the PP..

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by Randy F on Dec 17, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

This post took longer to read than it should have, because I was too busy laughing many times throughout. I particularly enjoyed the last part of the sentence “this year injuries are split between forwards and backwards”, lol!

As for your question, the one time when Skoula was in the lineup doesn’t really count. I mean we had Crosby, Malkin and Staal regularly suiting up in the same games, instead of taking turns. Remember what that was like? Also I’m fairly sure Letang was still in there during that stretch, and he pretty much counts as two backwards with the ice time he logs and his presence on the ice.

As for February 2011 and December 2011, I’d say last season was worse. We knew Malkin was gone for the season, and it appeared likely that Crosby would be as well. Whereas this season, apart from Crosby where who knows what is going on, I feel we can be fairly confident our players will return in an orderly manner.

It doesn’t matter too much when players are injured in November and December, we should still make the playoffs. What matters is whether or not they’re good to go by April. They weren’t last season, but hopefully they will be this season.

by Skyff on Dec 17, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one laughing at that one :)

Just a quick note re. Letang: he left the game on November 7, 2009 and didn’t return until November 28. As it turns out, though, the worst it got in that stretch was being down to Eaton, Skoula & McKee in the lineup, with Guenin, Engelland & Lovejoy as the call-ups, and Gonchar, Orpik, Letang and Goligoski all out with injury. There were also a variety of forwards going in and out of the lineup at the time, but it certainly didn’t compare to this year and last year. Still … considering the way McKee and Skoula were playing at the time, it’s a good thing we had a bunch of almost-NHL-ready D-men to call up.

Jagr? I don't even know 'er.

by PopRocks on Dec 17, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post, PopRox. To me, our situation is worse than last year just because I’m so worried about Crosby and his future health — last year, it was a fluke terrible season with so many injuries. This year I’m more concerned for the future of the team.

I believe in Geno.

by Cari on Dec 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not

Look what are you going to do? Injuries happen, more than some but it happens. I think our situtation is worse because alot of the guys that are out are out premier guys and it’s starting to take a toll on the team because you can only go for so long before you need some of these guys back in order to win games. There are only so much grinders can do guys.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 17, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s worse this season BECAUSE we as fans already went through it last year only to be teased by a triumphant return of Sid before it was taken away….It’s like going through all of your finals and then at the very end when you’ve finished your last test and are halfway to cracking open your first IC Light in 3 weeks your teacher tells you there are a whole OTHER set of finals NEXT week (only happened once)…in short, it’s fracking frustrating because of our previous experience seeing our pens dropping like pheasants on the first day of huntin’ season

by NoVAPensFan on Dec 18, 2011 2:13 AM EST reply actions  

For the sake of the season, last year was worse. It was later in the year. It affected our two best players (Sid and Geno) who cannot be replaced. And the forwards were hit harder where we had less depth. This year, it is earlier, so if healthy, the team can hopefully get on a roll in Jan/Feb, when the playoff push starts. And the defensive depth at WBS that is being displayed will help us long term (as future starters, or trade bait).

For the sake of the future of the team, this season is worse. Too many concussions. And the fact that the face of the franchise is out again after being back about 1-2 weeks is a real problem. We are not Cup contenders without the big 3 (Sid-Geno-Staal). And if Sid cannot come back and stay back for good that is a major loss for the team and the league.

by biedergb on Dec 18, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

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