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Silence Regarding Sidney Crosby's Health Leads to Unhealthy Speculation

No news is good news; or is it?

Since colliding with Chris Kunitz on Dec. 5 while playing against the Boston Bruins, Penguins fans have been on the edge of their seats hoping, wishing, praying that Sidney Crosby's health would not take a turn for the worse. He looked bruised and shaken in that collision with his teammate, but he had to be tested at some point. The fact that he returned gave hope, but the news that shortly followed has done nothing more but lead to disappointing thoughts.

All we have to work with at this point is the label of "concussion-like symptoms." Given the infamous silence of trainers throughout the league, it's hard to say whether those symptoms have been improving, sustaining or degrading over the past month.The hope is his health is on the up and up, but what are we to say for sure?

Which is why the silence tends to lead toward the pessimistic side, evidence be damned. It took Crosby 11 months to get back onto the ice and even then it was deemed cautious. It took only eight games for him to rack up 12 points. There were talks of his "Lemieux-like return" and perhaps even his chances of chasing down the scoring title.

But now? We're left to wonder. How healthy is Crosby? How soon - this year, next year, late next year - can we expect him back?

I'm confident that if we don't see him back around the one-month mark, when the Pens face the Rangers on January 6, we can expect a statement from the team.

We can all sit here and wax poetic about concussions in hockey and the dangers of returning to see. Some would even go so far as to providing detailed charts and graphs regarding head injuries and maybe even medical journals regarding brain trauma.

But I'm no doctor, and frankly I've heard the word "concussion" more times over the past year than any other word. So I won't pretend to know left from right or up from down when it comes to medical terminology. All I know is the league is missing a tremendous talent, the Penguins are missing their captain and the window of optimism regarding Crosby's career health appears to be shrinking more and more with each passing day.

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by GoPenguins on Dec 27, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Ya. When people tell me they think he’s done for good, I don’t get that feeling of wanting to refute them anymore, because it’s looking more and more like he might not be able to come back.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 27, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Oh really where's your evidence on that?

I would like to hear it. God i’m getting sick of hearing this, ever think for a second that maybe because we don’t hear any news is because there’s no news to report. What do you want the Pens to say? That’s there’s nothing new to report every single day of the week? Remember how many people were complaining about that? When there’s news to report you’ll all be the first to hear. Until then chill the hell out.

Mark my words: HE…WILL…BE…BACK. Stop already.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 27, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Sid’s mom.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 27, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh wow great answer

Real intelligent and thoughtout lol.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 27, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

with Alex… Where is the evidence to prove otherwise? He missed 11 months, comes back and doesn’t get hit hard and is now looking like he’s done again for at least a month, maybe more.

If he would have been hit hard in a hit that you can at least see could have caused a concussion, that’s one thing… but he didn’t… He got hit a couple times, nothing bad and has now missed multiple weeks with concussion-like symptoms…

I really hope Sid comes back and finishes his career, but if I heard that he is officially retired tomorrow, I would be devastated, but not shocked.

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by Stros Bro on Dec 27, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

“See, Billy Idol gets it, why doesn’t she?”

Translation: You got what I was saying. That clown didn’t.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 27, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that doesn't make him a clown though...

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by Stros Bro on Dec 27, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He got hit hard plenty of time before that Kunitz collision.

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by GoPens! on Dec 27, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure what you mean. Crosby took hard hits before and was fine. Hopefully this is just a blip on the radar.

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by GoPens! on Dec 27, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm saying

he hasn’t taken a hit since he came back that would even remotely make me think he could/should get a concussion from it, yet he’s out with a concussion again…

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by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He took an accidental elbow to the head in the BOS game. I think that could be enough to do it for anyone.

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by GoPens! on Dec 28, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfZgdDCnbGQ

You’re saying that any hockey player taking this hit, you would expect them to get a concussion from it? If so, then I really disagree…

if that hit would have happened to say Kunitz for example and the next day you hear Kunitz got a concussion from it, I would be shocked. My 6 year old could take that hit and I wouldn’t be worried about his well being.

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by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

“Hockey player” doesn’t matter. Hockey player’s brains are not tougher just because the rest of them is.

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by JustinM on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

but they aren’t weaker either… my entire point was that after 10 months, Sid’s head was still screwed up to the point to a normal, non-concussion causing hit has now given him another concussion.

There’s no way to tell if another 10 months will heal him to where he can be a normal hockey player.

There is no evidence to even lean to saying Sid will be back 100% anytime soon… if anything, all of the evidence points the other way.

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by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

or at least the symptoms of a concussion

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by Stros Bro on Dec 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Given the pads, strength, and speed of this game, I think many hits could cause someone a head injury

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by GoPens! on Dec 28, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I could say the same thing back to you…where’s your evidence that he will be back? That was a pretty emphatic answer. Sidney Crosby himself doesn’t even know if and when he’s coming back and if we’ve learned anything, they’re all different. David Booth has been able to return from a concussion, although hardly the player he was while Marc Savard attempted a comeback, and we saw how well that went. He still hasn’t played this season and probably won’t.

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by BobPurkey34 on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What an injured mess this season has been.

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by LauraZ on Dec 27, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Injuries happen and they occur when you least expect them to

And it’s truly the best teams that find ways to make due and move on to win games. I’m a diehard Manchester United fan and this year we have been ravaged with injuries, espically at defence with our top defender Namanja Vidic out for the season not to mention defenders Rio Ferdinand, Anderson, Tom Cleverley, Phil Jones and Jonny Evans. But our club has been able to make due with what we have and as a result were tied for first on the Premiership with Manchester City.

The Pens have been hit hard with injuries going back to last season but they have been able to make due with what they got, that’s why they finished 4th in the conference (few points from winning the division) and keeping pace with the Cryers and Rags. Good teams are able to do that.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Dec 27, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree. That doesn’t take away from the mass injuries we’ve seen as Pens fans and the NHL as a whole.

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by LauraZ on Dec 27, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not want weekly updates if nothing is changing. If they want to give an update when he’s practicing again, great. There is an entire team of players that I’m focused on right now…not worth wasting my time worrying about Crosby’s health. He’s in good hands, he’ll be back.

by Tick Rocchet on Dec 27, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed.

The Pens Facebook page is swamped with people asking EVERYDAY ‘when is Sid coming back’. It’s annoying, to be nice.

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by Hotaru1787 on Dec 27, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope for the best, plan for the worst

There’s no other better way to put it. At this point, facts we know is that he missed nearly an entire year with the same injury, then he was able to tiptoe through 8 games before taking a knock. We also know that concussions don’t just vanish into thin air – the symptoms may subside for a time but as soon as he starts taking hits, it only takes one to bring those symptoms back again. We as a fanbase and a team can sit around hoping against everything that he can someday return free of his condition but until that time, it’s necessary to explore other options.

I wish it wasn’t so. But it’s unfortunately the only option.

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by BobPurkey34 on Dec 27, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Staying positive

…is ’bout all we can do. I ignore the haters/bandwagoner fans.

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by Hotaru1787 on Dec 27, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

If he’s still suffering concussion like symptoms, more than a year after the hit, it’s likely that he is done for good. The collision with Kunitz had nothing to do with his head, so it seems like this is still from last year. That’s an extremely LONG time to still be suffering and indicates a serious brain injury. Concussions just don’t last this long.

It’s nothing to do with being a hater/bandwagoner and more to do with being realistic.

by rlsuth on Dec 27, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't mean to offend...

…but I’m tired of all the negativity.

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by Hotaru1787 on Dec 27, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your frustration but a good forum discusses things from both sides. There are already way too many forums out there that are just rah-rah everything is fantastic and way too few objective forums where you can discuss things in depth, even from sides you may not like. I’d much rather belong to an objective forum even if the discussions don’t always say the things I want to hear.

by rlsuth on Dec 27, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you. This injury creeping up like this so soon after he “came back” does not sit right at all. Something is definitely rotten in Denver.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 27, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Something is Rotten

You mean in Denmark?

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by HockeyFanInColorado on Dec 28, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

That too.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 28, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

FYI I know it’s Denmark, I was tipping the ol hat to a film called Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we need to remember doctors and neurologists have gone on record as saying they still know so little about concussions. With that in mind, people on the internet who have no background in medicine making these bold predictions Crosby is done look rather silly.

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by GoPens! on Dec 27, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. The Pens should make it clear. If it is concussion, it could be really serious, and career ending, like Savard.

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by Outcast on Dec 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep thinking of people like Savard. Like Lindros. Like Corey Koskie. (Or, if you want something even more dramatic, like Mike Webster or Ray Chapman.) All players that had their careers and lives altered or ended because of brain injury that we still don’t understand very well.

And then there’s Sid, who undoubtedly had two concussions in quick succession last season and may have gotten two more against the Bruins this season. (I heard that he took an elbow to the head in that same game that he collided with Cooke, but I was at the game so I had no replay to see.)

I hope he’ll be back. I hope he recovers to the point where this isn’t an issue anymore. But all the talent and hard work in the world will not fix this. If you care about Sid for more than his stat sheet, as I think most here do, then perhaps we should a) start vocally and strenuously agitating for more protection for players, and for real, not just lip service to avoid liability, and b) prepare ourselves for the very real possibility that one of the best to ever lace ’em up is through,

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by JustinM on Dec 27, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

This is becoming a gigantic problem for the NHL, and I entirely agree about more protection for players. If the reports are true, Shea Weber has a concussion also which would mean the league’s best forward AND the league’s best defenseman (imo) are on the shelf. Pronger is already out for the season and who knows how long Giroux will be able to stay on the ice.

On the second thought, that’s sort of what I was getting at before. Plan for the worst. Sid’s contract is up in the summer of 2013 and while barring a retirement on his end, I entirely expect he’ll be resigned…however the Penguins can not continue paying him at league maximum if they have no idea how long or if he’ll even be on the ice.

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by BobPurkey34 on Dec 27, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and seemingly lost in all this Crosby concussion talk is Kris Letang, who also appears to be nowhere near returning to the ice.

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by BobPurkey34 on Dec 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s what I was about to say. I miss Sid a lot, but I actually miss Letang even more.

Let's grind these bitches down!

by lostprophetRJX on Dec 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I’m super worried about Letang :(

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by GoPenguins on Dec 27, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

In honesty we all should be. He’s a guy with a history of migraines and now a concussion. I’ll still be passively optimistic that we could see him again before the year is over, but the more time that goes by and he’s made absolutely no progress, the more confidence we have to put in Simon Despres.

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by BobPurkey34 on Dec 27, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a lot of time between now and the summer of 2013

If Crosby came back soon(as in the next month or two) and doesn’t get hurt again by the time his contract is up and continues to play at the pace he played before he got hurt, there’s not much of a reason IMO to lower his contract… If he can get a full healthy season in, then I would be fine with tacking a few more years on at the current rate and hoping for the best.

That being said, if he misses this season and/or some of next for the same type of reasons, then Crosby would have to take a pay cut IMO.

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by Stros Bro on Dec 27, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He seems smart enough to understand that as well, which is a plus.

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by AlexStitch on Dec 27, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, and just a nitpick, but Sid’s not at cap max and never has been. But your point is well taken.

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by JustinM on Dec 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Reply fail. :(

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by JustinM on Dec 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries, it was a minor exaggeration on my part anyway. But right, you still get the point. He’s being payed $8.7million annually which is great for someone who’s putting up 100 points every season and contending for Hart trophies but not for a player who be on the bench for x amount of time.

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by BobPurkey34 on Dec 27, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

$

i doubt Crosby cares about $
he’d probably play for free if somehow someone could waive a magic wand and heal him

by Diomedes7 on Dec 28, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a point I'd like to make

learning about traumatic brain injuries this past semester, we focused on several case studies where the patients took several years to fully recover. These were simple students who were doing no more than studying and going to class. So in the case of Sid, practicing hard and going all out, it could very well be 2-3years down the road before he is truly “symptom” free.

Not trying to be pessimistic, but just a thought to keep in mind. Id rather have him for 10-15 more years then for 2 more and then see him retire. Let him sit out for another year if thats what it takes.

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by C Shint on Dec 27, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

The most difficult thing to cope with is that a TBI never actually heals. Brain tissue doesn’t heal like other tissue does, so the person is never the same again.

Let's grind these bitches down!

by lostprophetRJX on Dec 27, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

sidney crosby

i hope he is ok and can come back to play. kinda getting tired of the “crosby watch” day in and day out. add to that that when the pens play the flyers, it is way more exciting to watch when both teams have their top players on the ice. oh well, he’ll be back or he won’t. nothing us fans can do about it. have a happy holiday everyone.

by ripdolliver on Dec 27, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Head trauma

Something that is being overlooked in all of this is that head trauma is a lot more serious and wide spread than many understand. All you need to do is look at returning vets with head trauma. Many of these guys have permanent damage done with virtually no hope of recovery and thanks to Congress, virtually no help from the medical profession.

I’ve seen it in Vietnam Vets, guys I knew and “worked” with who now can’t hold a job, or even a cup, who can’t remember little things and many times have trouble with simple motions. I can’t imagine losing or even reducing the mental dexterity to play one of the most demanding sports there is. Some of those vets were in as good a shape or better than Sid and can’t cope. Some others can make it. Doesn’t matter how your head gets hurt, it needs time to heal if it can.

In a way, Sid is lucky if that’s possible. At least he’ll get the best care the Pens Health coverage can provide. With luck, he’ll get better. Whether that means he’ll ever play again is incidental to being able to function normally the rest of his life.

Only time will tell and he needs to take all the time he can. Fans understandably want to see him play again but wanting to get him on the ice just so he can play for them is just not that important.

Life goes on in sports with or without certain players. Pens fans went through a terrible incident with Michel Briere in 1970 sadly ending in 1971. While it’s not the same situation with Sid, it may be just as difficult to face.

He’ll be back or he won’t and it really is his decision. But he needs to make sure the rest of his life is his own regardless of how much time that takes and not return just to placate fans or chance something more permanent or tragic.

Be as positive as you want but also be realistic. Look at other instances of head trauma not only in sports but the military and everyday life, the way it was treated and the results. Once you see the long range and many times hidden extent of this injury, you may begin to understand its seriousness and why it may take such a long time to heal, if ever.

Sid playing hockey is secondary to his resuming a normal life. Some things we do in life just aren’t worth the risk.

by 21in69 on Dec 27, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Well said, my friend!

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by Hotaru1787 on Dec 28, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Sid

I just miss him playing. It’s just not the same.
He is the Pittsburgh Penguins IMO.
I hope he gets healthy but I have my fears and doubts.
Maybe he came back too soon?

Trying to keep good and positive thoughts.

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