A New Low
by Lavender on Feb 12, 2011 3:59 AM EST
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PrintWhy hello PensBurghers. It's not so often that I've had the chance to truly get into any real sports talk around here, (stupid college and the work load it presents), but I had a lot to get off of my chest from this past game. I'm sure we all do, but my comment on the Game Recap was reaching Norton Anthology proportions, so I thought it best to put my thoughts somewhere after the jump. As for the best lead into what this all is, I felt it was said best on the Game Thread by BobPurkey34, "Pens came to a fight and a hockey game broke out."
I hate to say it, as much as I adore the NHL, but on every level this game was about as pathetic as any I've watched in my lifetime. It hits somewhere around the Detroit Red Wings and Colorado Avalanche for me, but worse. Why worse? These two don't have quite as much to play for do they? Yes, injuries were involved in a previous contest, but was it all worth what was displayed?
A year's time ago, the Boston Bruins and Dallas Stars line brawl opened my eyes to these sort of deals because I saw it as a complete neutral spectator. Bottom line from their clash a year ago: Steve Ott was out of control. The Bruins had the red mist. The officials weren't able to come together and diffuse the situation. The game went completely out of control. The NHL should have known full well that this game was a powder keg waiting to happen, right down to Brent Johnson being the starter for the game. The suit wearing brethren of the league offices should have known that, and they should have put their most respected officials on the ice to control a nasty situation like this had the potential to be. I'm not saying you can predict mayhem, nor sometimes can you even avoid it, but you sure as hell out to be able to utilize people in games you know have the potential to be less about the game and more about the past. This crew tonight didn't try to cool things down, they didn't try to set a precedent, and they let the mess dictate them. With the class I'm dealing with right now in college, which is a cross between Criminal Justice and Sports Management, the term Negligent Retention comes to mind, on the basis everyone knew this could blow up and nobody did a thing. Still, continuing with the legal issue talk, the players all knew the risks, and perhaps this was too much for even the Captain America of officials to deal with.
I honestly don't even know if the officials could even prevent this, because the New York Islanders displayed the most classless and pathetic character, top to bottom, that the NHL has had on the ice in a long time for tonight's ruckus. So your goalie gets rowdy. So he starts a fight up to inspire his team after yet another lackluster performance on a miserable team, just as well beset by injury. So he gets his face broken from a fight he initiated, and the team lost the fight and the war. What should you do from there? Exactly what they did, rock the goalie where it counts when the opportunity presents itself that you play him. They were up six goals. I dislike that as a Pens fan, but, as a hockey fan, you have to respect the fire under them to do that. BUT, why then try to sucker punch someone in open ice...who is looking the other way...is pathetic. To charge, go high, and force a players face into the glass while he's practically defenseless...that's what we hear from Matt Cooke every game from media related analysts ever night...but Matt Cooke doesn't watch that player as he is hurt, take his gloves off, and try to further injure him. Trevor Gillies should be ashamed of his actions, but, based on his trash talking to a concussed Tangradi and Penguins medical trainer, I imagine he might be one of the proudest people of the entire night. That being within a reason of being an accurate statement bothers the hell out of me as a fan of this game, and the Islanders, who were doing the right thing to start this game, should be embarrassed, ashamed, and suspended in ways I can't even contemplate yet.
Now, avoiding being hypocritical, the Penguins side of the story is sad in its own right, but to a small extent. As mentioned, yes, DiPietro had his face broken. Now, to bring up Max Talbot's hit from the previous game, that was where a lot of the fire from this started. Clean? Perhaps, and perhaps not. Certainly in the moment my reaction is, "that is a huge hit," but when you see that type of hit, followed by player reactions of ill will and then see the player who was clocked get up and play on, the response goes, "well, that's hockey for you!" Still, to say players and fans would want some sort of payback on any player giving their guy a concussion, is a sore spot on our end. Even a small part of me wanted a piece of Steckel after the concussion news came out, and, of the two hits, I would argue the Talbot hit is a bit more on the dirty. It's soon after a full game of being hit and banged up that DiPietro does his part to stand up for what his teammates don't do. He did, and failed miserably. The Islanders are laughed at nightly, and get extra sour over that game. Would I on the flip side? Yes. The problem is that playing for revenge by blood and not by victory is a disgrace to competitive sports, and a disgrace to who and what an athlete should stand for in a professional arena. As stated, I felt the Islanders did what they should have scoreboard-wise, and if I was in the coaches shoes I'd be telling them to put that aggression on the board even more. It didn't. It turned to unnecessary violence with the intent to injure.
In the Penguins' defense, they were getting beaten down and, as far as I am concerned, any game that is a blow out like this you can expect things such as this to almost crop up out of the heat of a rout. Getting routed is no different than a bullying-like mentality and, eventually, the one getting beaten around will make a stand. The Penguins were ready from the jump at the start of this one. Obviously not for the hockey game, sadly as the score dictated, but being on the defense of rabid players out for revenge. Few times did I see a Penguin initiate something tonight, the end of the game cross checking then small scrap comes to mind, Mr. Craig. What the Penguins did, from the attempted sucker punch on, was handle as best they could a team out for revenge by blood. Godard jumping over the boards to protect a goalie, who I imagine Islander players were foaming at the mouth to get a piece of, I don't have a problem with that. Brent proved he is tough to a degree, but players shouldn't tangle with players...but, then again, this was a game where a cheap shot was almost landed by a player who was in the comforts of a six goal lead with half a game to play.
Should that mean anything is fair game? Quite the opposite. I think on just about every level this was a joke to watch. The NHL should be embarrassed to have managed this game as negligent as they did. The Islanders should be ashamed to let people like Matt Martin and Trevor Gillies act in the manner they did representing their organization tonight, and just as well most of their entire roster. Do I ignore the faults of the Penguins, just because I'm a fan of them? No. There are moments in this game where I feel the Penguins could have tried to play the better team, and take a hard loss in the midst of their injury stretch. The fact of the matter is, the Penguins couldn't ignore this. Not when players are out for blood, not when they're out to sucker punch, and certainly not when they're attacking clear and evidently injured players.
Tonight felt like a disgrace for the league. As Frank wrote in the recap, "It was a slow form of torture, and you can bet 29 fan bases are loving every second of it." From how I felt about this game, I would hope this game is taken with a little more thought than fighting and a thirst for violence from the other fan bases who will watch the highlights of this game.
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Nice write up. It’s certainly not what you want to see. I too don’t understand what message can’t be sent by winning 9-2 or whatever it was without injuring people. You thrash a team, that’s a big enough message? I really hope the Pens don’t take it back to them in the same manner next time. If the next one’s in April it should give some time for all to calm down
Oh and the Islanders might win one or two before then… or do they need to get fired up to not look like rubbish?
I'm biased as a Red Wings fan
But the March 26, 1997 contest (link to a youtube vid) you’re probably referencing was ‘fought’ under different circumstances. The Wings and Avalanche were the two best teams in the conference, rather than the worst team (ok, 2nd worst) versus a rudderless Pens squad. For all the goonery that took place in that contest, it was still a competitive game (come from behind OT winner for Detroit), and in terms of the violence itself, the Avs gave as good as they got. The goalies fought in that contest, yes, but it was Patrick Roy rushing out to get involved that got him blasted, as opposed to tonight, where a goon was brought in for the sole purpose of engaging Johnson.
And, of course, that win catapulted the Red Wings to, arguably, back to back Stanley Cup championships. The Islanders aren’t going any, except maybe 13th place in the conference. Yeah, sure, as a Wings fan, I’m biased, but all that was displayed in that game was definitely worth it.
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
I do drive the hyperbole highway quite a bit when dealing with a hot button issue. This game did get me riled up, but the reason I brought the Wings Avalanche bit in was exactly for the reason you stated. The stakes were higher, as those match ups between the two in the 90’s always felt like the winner dictating who represented the Western Conference as its best team. Throw in one major cheap hit into the boards, and it became a bigger blow up.
Still, this was a comment turned into a bit of a rant, so I was expecting a few swings and misses with logical thought. D’oh!
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for saying, "Woo! Offense," every time Zbynek Michalek touches the puck.
That game was also set against the backdrop
of the Lemieux hit on Draper. That one was months in the making.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
good write up, btw
The Isles could have and perhaps should have been content with the game they played, since the scoreboard is the ultimate revenge. But they came in with an agenda, and then took it a couple steps beyond. And you didn’t even get to Haley being brought in specifically for this game, and his going down the ice after the goalie after finishing up a scrap at one end of the ice. Lots of rotten layers to this onion.
But, as you well know, the Pens aren’t going to get much sympathy around the league. For one, they’re the Pens, one of the top teams, with the attendant jealousy that comes from top dog status. More recently, there’s Matt Cooke’s actions in the last two games, and even more than that, Dan Bylsma’s BS in backing up Cooke’s sleaziness. The Isles fulfilled a lot of fantasies around the NHL last night.
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
If the actions of the third period plus Marten’s Bertuzzi-like hit are the fantasy of anyone, then there is even more stupidity in fans than I knew. Actions and games such as these are part of of what destroyed the fan base of hockey, along with clutching and grabbing. It’s taken us years to recover. True fans know this. I hope the league comes down hard. Disgraceful.
Look over to the right
In the FanHouse section, as of now, anyway, there’s a vid labeled, “Matt Martin Attempted Sucker Punch on Max Talbot”
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
Not at all
last night, I thought people were talking about the punch from Haley to Talbot during the scrum right after the hit on Tangradi. I didn’t realize which shot we were actually talking about until later.
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
Ok, not to that extent
But seeing the Pens get whipped on the scoreboard, and see a Cooke-like hit delivered against them, there’s plenty of folks who aren’t unhappy about that, even as they’d never condone the rest of the carnage.
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
Check out this thread at Japers for some general discussion of the ugliness last night. I would say the split is 80/20 in favor of the Pens, in terms of where the sympathies lie.
http://www.japersrink.com/2011/2/12/1989583/saturday-caps-clips-kings-caps-game-day#comments
And note that these are all Caps fans, who are more than happy to have the Pens get blown out on the scoreboard.
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I was saying before. I think if what Gilles did to Tangradi happened to a talented young Capital like Alzner or Carlson, I’d be pretty pissed. There’s no place for that horse@#$% in the game, it should not be tolerated in any way and should be punished severely.
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
As a fan I often muttered in frustration about taking out the others teams’ players, especially when on the losing side of things. But when the other teams’ players are actually hurt (ie Savard last year) it’s no something I am happy to see. If rival teams players are hurt in a fair way (ie hand/foot injury from blocking a shot) I don’t shed a tear for that team, but not something I am particularly happy about. So to say seeing players intentional hurt or sucker punched and saying this is a fantasy fulfilled, is perverse and probably pathologic.
I hate to say it, but as a former New Yorker, this is the old New York/Boston/Philly attitude of if you can’t beat them, then beat them up.
Ugh
This “game” was brutal and extremely discouraging to watch on every level. I don’t know what’s worse – the score or the fact we have a player in Eric Tangradi seriously injured because of this. The comments from the other 29 fan bases are exactly what we’d expect and not even worth arguing. I want to see the league handle this and make sure it doesn’t happen again in April. I don’t even have the words to describe what I think about Trevor Gillies. Let’s hope Bylsma can get everyone regrouped for a win at the Garden tomorrow afternoon.
Tangradi being hurt is the worst part
the score is just 2 points.. yea it was a bad one night… but still, in the end, it’s 2 points.
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FUKK JACK CAPUANO!
With apologies to following a disgraceful game with foul language, I repeat FUKK YOU JACK CAPUANO! That neanderthal haley being brought up specifically to fight then as a PLAYER going after the goal tender? And Godard is the one going to be suspended? If Haley had even a semblance of a future in the NHL you could say suspending his ass would make sense. I’ll say the same for gilles and martin, as big or bigger bags of shit.
For a long time I’ve been cheering for the Islanders to turn their team around and become competitive, stay in Long Island all that, now..Piss on ’em. Screw the Isles until Jack Capuano is back where he belongs as an overweight towel boy in the AHL.
I’ll be extremely surprised if Haley, Gilles and Martin don’t get lengthy suspensions and fines.
Gilles in particular deserves it. His actions towards Tangradi were disgraceful and indispensable.
Martin/Talbot didn’t rise to the level of Bertuzzi/Moore – I would say more close to Carcillo/Bradley, with the aggravating factor that Talbot was not looking at Martin when he got jumped – but it was bad enough.
Haley’s attack on a goaltender was bad.
Imo, Colie (and Bettman) punish infractions of “The Code” more harshly than simple rule violations, and all the above directly contravene The Code. I expect the League will drop the hammer.
I would also hope that Konopka gets a couple games; sending a fighter after a middleweight grinder like Talbot is disgraceful in it’s own right.
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Add: Carcillo got 4 games for the Bradley thing. Not sure what Martin has for priors, but I would expect that 4 would be a starting point for him.
Gilles…also not sure about priors, but he deserves at least 8, if Kostopolous got 6. Should probably be 20, We’ll see how it pans out.
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I see the doctors of discipline in New York and Toronto doing more to the Islanders than the Pens right now. Both teams are at fault here, we know by the rules that Godard and Bylsma will be fined and suspended, but the Islanders did pour this on after the score got out of hand. I am sure it was all planned if the score went well into the Islanders favor. Gilles should be suspended indefinitely from professional hockey, there is absolutely no professionalism or sportsmanship there in his case at all.
Most of what I have been reading so far does favor the Pens side of the equation, but we aren’t done with all of this by a long shot with all of the discussion out there. The referee’s management of the game as it went on to me is a very big issue. They let this get out of hand and could have probably worked to put a cap on it but chose not to.
Anyone notice that nhl.com has avoided showing all of this pugilism? Not that this is unusual, but it was a part of it all. At least the NHL network has had a lot of commentary on it.
It's always a great day or night for hockey - no matter the time or place!
So your goalie gets rowdy. So he starts a fight up to inspire his team after yet another lackluster performance on a miserable team, just as well beset by injury. So he gets his face broken from a fight he initiated, and the team lost the fight and the war. What should you do from there?
Wow. This from a bunch of fans that was demanding Steckel’s head even when many of you admitted it wasn’t intentional. To sit here and pretend you wouldn’t have done the exact same thing in the Islanders situation is just a shocking level of hypocrisy not even the biggest Flyers homers would stoop to.
The Penguins are one of the dirtiest teams I’ve ever seen. They’re not filled with goons, rather they have a bunch of sneaky guys who slew-foot and take knee shots. Pretty cowardly stuff. Then they injure a guy and laugh about it on the bench on national TV. Well, they ain’t laughing now. The Islanders came in and beat the crap out of the entire Pens team, and fans of the other 29 fanbases will stand up and salute them for it. Bravo, Islanders. You gave the Penguins the beatdown they, and their fans, richly deserved.
Disagree in the strongest terms. Caps fan here, btw. Just for perspective’s sake.
I can understand if the Isles wanted a piece of Talbot. The Comeau hit was borderline bad, and resulted in a concussion, so they’re entitled to want some paybacks. But a sucker punch from behind? That’s just not called for. I can get behind sending Haley out – a guy in Talbot’s weight class – and letting him mug Talbot to force him to fight.
But sending Konopka after him is just too much. The sucker punch from behind is too much.
And a skater going after a goalie, even if the goalie agrees to go in the heat of the moment, is out of bounds. G’s just have too much gear to move around well enough to defend themselves. If Godard hadn’t gotten involved there, it could have gotten bad for Johnny.
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There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Talbot hit on Comeau. It was shoulder on shoulder. The only thing regrettable about it was the aftermath, which it’s hockey…injuries happen. But you’re spot on, sucker punches have no place in this game. If you want to fight Talbo, that’s fine, but what Martin did was bordering on assault.
The Johnson fight should have never even happened. Why was Haley permitted to wander down the ice when he shouldn’t have even been on it? After his fight with Talbot, they both should have been escorted off the ice by the refs. In reality, the refs forced our hand to send Godard off the bench to protect our goalie because it was clear the refs weren’t doing their jobs.
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Regarding Talbot/Comeau, I thought it was on the edge of being from behind, which is why I said it was a borderline hit. If he’d hit Comeau in the head, it would have been a textbook bad hit. Either way, I agree with you. If you want to go out and get a guy, that’s fine. But don’t do it with a sucker punch or by sending a goon after Talbot. And definitely don’t go after the Tangradi’s of the world in the process.
Re Haley and the officials, if you watch the vid, it looks to me like there are two officials separating him from Talbot. One stays with Talbot, which I assume was to protect him from getting jumped again. Given that Konopka later went after Talbot, this seems like a good decision, as one of the Isle involved in the scrum around Tangradi probably would have peeled off to go after Talbot again.
The second official looks over at that scrum, which is off the screen, and immediately lets go of Haley to jump towards something he sees over there. Not sure what it was, but my best guess is either A) an Isle peeling off to continue after Talbot, or B) another flare up (Jurcina was engaged with someone, IIRC, and Gilles was yelling from the tunnel, so someone may have headed his way).
I can sympathize with the officials struggling to get things under control. Bottom line, this was an inexperienced pair of refs in a tough situation. Maybe an experienced ref goes to the coaches and tells them he’s going to kick everyone out and make them risk a forfeit if the shenanigans continue…but I don’t blame the refs too badly for this one.
I blame the Isles.
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also have to take into consideration that
Gillies was still standing in the door.
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Why they didn’t close the door is beyond me. Make sure he’s gone then if you need to send someone else off then open it again
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
ha, like your sig
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Do you like everything that has the number 87 in it?
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no, I’m not a fan of Donald Brashear
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Interesting when you type 87 in an image search
Interstate 87
’87 Corvette
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UFC 87
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But no Canadian hockey players. Hmm
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lame.
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Wait, how did Allie manage to hack your account?
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awesomesauce, depending on the value of Θ
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Doesn’t it always? ;)
Forget about doing standard positives, make ’em work to figure out what they got haha.
I think some integrals sound good, don’t you?
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I hate integrals >.> Differentiating is so much more fun
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Hell no differentials are so easy. Where’s the fun in that?
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it’s fun because it’s easy :P
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by Leafer87 on Feb 12, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not very Crosby-like is it?
Sid always wants to challenge himself to get better right?
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bah, now I’m off to integrate everything, thanks a lot
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LOL want some sample problems to start with? We can start off with simpler ones, don’t worry about double or triples.
How about the integral of x^3 arcsinh(a/x), with respect to x? haha
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man, my head hurts already
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oh god lol
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is h a constant?
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no no h is for hyperbolic
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but in derivatives, h is a variable yes (also written Δx, same thing)
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yeah, we haven’t learned that yet :P
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I can’t remember for sure, but integrals of hyperbolic trig functions might be calc 2 level stuff. It’s been long enough since I learned it that I wouldn’t remember any of it without relearning it from the book. :p
I wouldn't think so :P
You’re 16? 17? What math are you in right now?
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grade 12.. actually this is uni level, we’re not supposed to be learning it at in HS
And yeah, 16
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Not entirely sure how the Canadian system works compared with the US one. Are you doing precalc stuff or actual calc with derivatives & integrals?
If that’s it, then probably like university Calc 1 here
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Precalc is as far as we’re supposed to go in high school, but because I’m in IB we’ve gone further and done differentiation and integration.
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That's a good thing
The sooner you can start the better. I don’t know what your future plans might be in terms of college & what you want to major in but if it’s anything in the maths or science field, you’ll need it
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well, economics.. Guess I’ll be really good at calculating marginal cost :P
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oh god don’t do that to yourself haha
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
don’t do what? Economics or calc?
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econ
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
pourquoi?
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I don’t speak much French but I do know that. I have a couple friends who are econ majors and none of them really seem to enjoy what they’re doing. Plus just personally I’d hate thinking about money and the market all day long
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t need to be IB to do integration in high school. Trust me on that one—I wasn’t, and we got that far easily.
you should all be banned
for making my message box so damn skinny
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or Lighthouse Cheapshots
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 13, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
but this is a legitimate beef
I mean look at it.. It’s so skinny.. I can only get like 8-9 words in it and it wraps to the next line.. it’s blasphemy.
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this reminded me of the hangover
“it’s funny because he’s fat”
I don’t know why.. but anything that reminds me of that movie gets a rec so..
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It would have been. But it wasn’t a hit to the head and rightly was unpunished. You don’t penalize plays solely because someone got injured. I have no idea why Gilles targeted Tangradi.
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by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
you created this account just to be an idiot?
at least when I troll, I use my account
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And he’s gone. If anyone sees Steve123456789 post, it’s someone at the same IP address. Flag it and I’ll take care of it.
wow
premeditated a little… how crazy do you have to be to plan that comment over 8 months in advance… he was probably just waiting for last night and BAM
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Nobody is saluting you for blatant attempts to injure multiple players
And we are laughing. It’s a regular season game worth two points. But it’s fun seeing Isles fans show their faces, it’s just pretty embarrassing that this is the level you have to sink to in order to enjoy a game of hockey.
Come back when you find the balls to not hide behind a lame alias.
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
by BobPurkey34 on Feb 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Beat the crap out of pens? I saw Talbot get jumped and beat up and Adam get beat up. That’s it. No one really got beat up. MacDonald got his ass beat by vitale. But that was it.
Wow u r a sad POS to post complete garbage.
Go F-Yourself
What is “gopens90” a chicken shit way to get on Pens sites and post garbage? F*ck you. I HAVE called for Schmeckle’s head and I never posted I thought it was unintentional. Absolutely he could have made an effort not to skate through full bore on a guys head. However I have not said, oh instead of Schmeckle go after ovechkin. Matt Cooke got suspended for his resume and I’ve said he needs to channel his energy more appropriately. However even at his worst he’s done nothing as intentionally dog shit as gilles and martin.
As for the Islanders they got beat up and embarrassed and what did they do? They come out and play the best game they’ve played since the early 80s I’d guess. Sure the Pens were short handed but that wasn’t on the blue line.
The Islanders only gave the Penguins a “Beat down” on the scoreboard and in the incredible cheap shot category. Absolutely nothing to be proud of here, this bullshit was straight out of the annals of the Broadstreet Bozos. I’ll applaud the much deserved suspensions of these islander clowns and the day jackass capuano gets his fat one fired!
So without all due respect (none forthcoming) take your bullshit opinion and shove it up your ass!
Guess what hack writer Scott Burnside had to say about all of this:
Trevor Gillies. Class act. And a nice lid to boot.
According to him sucker punching people is classy.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 12, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions
I did see that.
Gillies didn’t sucker punch anyone though, that was Martin. Gillies was the one that elbowed Tangradi then proceeded to throw haymakers at him while he’s laying on the ice concussed.
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
…didn’t I say elbow?
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
I meant it as sucker-elbow
He didn’t sucker punch anyone.. it was a sucker elbow ;)
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That was sarcasm? I just thought he finally fell off the deep end, his writing has been nearing Damien Cox levels.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 12, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
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Random emoticons? Sure sounds great
Well that was pointless
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
Hey in fairness you guys have made me smile a lot too
All SIX times in a row the flyers have skated by Lord Stanley’s Cup a LOSER I’ve had the same emoitcon. HEll you really should put an asterix by the two they actually “won” so many decades ago. Seeing that garbage from last night is exactly the kind of “hockey” the cryers played.
I graduated from High School in May of 1975...
That’s so long ago that I barely remember it or anything else that happened during the month.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
From Katie Strang, Isles beat reporter for Newsday...
Since Matt Martin and Trevor Gillies seem to be the two players destined for suspensions, let’s start with them.
Here’s what Martin had to say about the game last night:
“There was a little history between the two teams. We want to make sure that we took care of what we needed to take care of. It was an emotional game and that’s how it played out,” he said. “This team is kind of sick of being pushed around all the time. I think we made a statement out there tonight, that we’re not a laughing stock. We can take care of ourselves.”
And of jumping Max Talbot, who concussed Martin’s teammate Blake Comeau last week with a blind-side hit.
“It was what it was, I took care of what I had to take care of,” he said.
Gillies also responded to his hit on Eric Tangradi, which reportedly left him with a head injury.
“I thought my shoulder hit him. Maybe I followed through after, but it’s not for me to decide. It’s up to the league,” Gillies said.
When asked about taunting Tangradi after the play, he said:
“Now that you look at the tape it doesn’t look so good, but it’s an emotional game and I’m one of those guys that wears their heart on sleeve. Maybe I let emotions get best of me there,” he said. “There were a lot of guys going to war for each other on both sides and that’s kind of the way it went.”
They can say whatever they like, but it doesn’t matter. They know they’re going to get hit and hit hard when the suspensions come out tonight.
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
Tonight
They have an in-person hearing at 5pm
https://twitter.com/#!/KatieStrangNYI/status/36497576081633280
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
As we learned from the Matt Cooke phone call hearing...
The phone call is 5 or less, in person 5 or more. I expect them each to get 10. Of course the apes and hyenas that troll around so regularly will be squealing about it. I mean eventhough the Pens are the most penalized team (not something I’m happy about) the League favors them right… Gilles should be embarrassed and seriously who the hell as behind leaving the gate open? The only thing that surprised me if that ape didn’t go after Tangradi as he was skating off with the trainers.
I’m expecting to be disappointed by the Gillies & Martin suspensions. Considering what Godard did was pretty tame in the context of the gong show that was last night’s game, the bar should be set at the 10 games Godard will sit, and Gillies and Martin should be somewhere higher than the bar (I was thinking ~15ish would be about right for Gillies, and ~12 for Martin).
I think the NHL will probably come in around 6 for Martin and maybe 10 for Gillies. They’ll use their idiotic logic that Talbot didn’t get hurt to explain the light sentence for Martin, and they’ll say they’re coming down hard on Martin in giving him 10 games. Compared to the other suspensions assessed by Hockey Operations this year (for other dirty plays outside this game, boarding, Rule 48, etc.) those will look like appropriate punishments. The problem I have is when you look at those suspensions in the context of the game, and in the context of Godard sitting 10 games for doing fairly little (at least in my view).
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by iwearstripes on Feb 12, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want anyone taking runs or cheapshots at him next time around (if he’s in the game) because that makes us just as bad as them. But I do think he’ll have to answer to Godard or Engelland.
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
Martin’s not really like either of them. I figure it’ll be one of the lesser pugilists that challenge him.
I’m thinking along the lines of Cooke-Thornton. Cooke had to answer for the Savard hit and the B’s sent out their heavyweight. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw the same thing.
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
Different circumstances. I would think “Cooke-Thornton” should have happened with “Steckel-Engellend” given the victims/injuries. In this case, Martin might have to answer to someone “lesser.”
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-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Feb 12, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
“I think we made a statement out there tonight, that we’re not a laughing stock. We can take care of ourselves."
The Islanders are 19-29-7, only three points better than Ottawa, and five points clear from the worst record in the entire league, which belongs to Edmonton. They’ve beaten the Penguins a few times this season. For any team in a rut games like that should be small spring boards. To say you’re not a laughing stock after trying to sucker punch someone while leading by six, that leaves me with quite a frozen and disbelieved expression on my face.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for saying, "Woo! Offense," every time Zbynek Michalek touches the puck.
The fact that Nabokov would rather sit (unemployed) than play for you, means that yes, you are a laughing stock.
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Exactly!
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by Black&GoldTrain on Feb 12, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, the league should be ashamed of themselves, and those refs should be totally re-evaluated.
I do believe I hate the Isles more than any other team now. Last night was the icing on the cake.
I'm still trying to find out what the 'message' is
The Islanders are sending a message. That no one should mess with them? I’m sorry, but that organization is very adept at messing themselves up. So I guess their message is something like – if you hit one of our guys with a borderline shot, we will sucker punch you and attack your concussed players while they lay on the ground defenseless. Oh yeah we’ll also challenge your goalie with one of goons.
No wonder no one wants to play for them (read Evgeni Nabakov).
Just watched the video of Martin and Talbot. I can’t even believe someone would do that. It’s like the Islanders completely lost their minds. Obviously both teams were guilty (not trying to let the Pens off scott free), but that play by Martin was ridiculous. And Gilles on Tangradi, there are no words. Why was he allowed to stand in the doorway and taunt? I don’t understand that.
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This picture just got a laugh out of me! Hope he’s having a happy birthday. He’s such a positive guy I doubt even last night can pull him down. (SUPERSTAR!)
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The mentality of the Islanders and their fans has been really fascinating. The whole “we’re tired of being kicked around!” rallying cry comes partly from injuries but also from losing lots of games. The Islanders losing isn’t anyone’s fault but theirs. It doesn’t mean they have been persecuted.
The other thing I’ve noticed is that many fan bases seem to think that because they have Matt Cooke, and because they won the cup two years ago and are considered “favored,” people feel like the Penguins have been perpetrators but not really victims of physical, dirty play. There has been a lot of talk about how the “Pens had it coming” as though the Penguins have been going around injuring everyone, and it’s about time someone threw some punches at them. That mentality has always been irritating, but it’s especially ridiculous now that we are missing Crosby, Geno, and many other forwards, most of them injured from contact (some dirty some not) with opponents.
The Penguins are victims of physical play as much as any organization, and this season they have suffered more than most organizations. This mentality that the Penguins somehow deserve injuries more than other teams is absurd, but also scary because it seems to be shared by other teams — not just their fans, but players.
I believe in Geno.
by Cari on Feb 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Really well said Cari.
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Very Well Written Article
Excellent. Great reading. Thank you for your good work.
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by PensFanInDenver on Feb 12, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Jealousy
That’s what it boils down to Cari. All those ignorant comments are coming from people who wish they had a team like the Pens. Instead they are hypocrites every single one of them.
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by Black&GoldTrain on Feb 12, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Cheers
I don’t write much on the site, but this last game had me bent out of shape…as I’m sure everyone else still is. With the suspension news starting to come out, I’m still at a loss with how the NHL runs the league.
Anyways, Disco Dan is the guy I look to on getting the team in the right place of mind. Get them all thinking more about hockey than this game. I’m sure it means more to us fans right now than the players, who have games set up in a way they can’t afford to think about the past…unless they’ become the Islanders, than nothing really matters but pay back really.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for saying, "Woo! Offense," every time Zbynek Michalek touches the puck.
Glad to see you posting
I keep wondering who the hell Lavender is ;)
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I’m assuming, with me being lost to my sports reporting duties at college AND homework, my lack of activity here in the past year or so has made me, simply, “the game thread poster upper guy.” :P
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for saying, "Woo! Offense," every time Zbynek Michalek touches the puck.
sadly enough you're spot on...
I can’t even grasp the whole absurdness of the situation… the last 20-something hours I’ve gone from feeling mad – to feeling sad – to feeling utter disbelieve that such hate is possible and worse yet – believed to be justified…
My whole feel for the game has been somewhat shaken… if things like that are part of it? or are they?
At the end the only things I’m hoping and praying for is Tangradi to not be seriously injured and for the Pens to play out the season staying/and getting healthy and letting faith deliver justice to those who deserve it…
You have to see it for yourself...
I’m still really infuriated about this entire thing. I didn’t see the game (which is probably a good thing) and only caught the highlights. There are a lot of people who could have prevented this entire ordeal, but didn’t do it. It stretches from Colin Campbell not knowing what the hell he’s doing when he lays down suspensions to Matt Cooke nearly singlehandedly giving the Penguins a “dirty” reputation to Rick DiPietro challenging Brent Johnson to a fight and then getting his ass whupped.
So what do I think needs to happen? Campbell needs to come down hard, for once, on each of the major players involved on both sides (though more are on the NYI side FWIW). A message needs to be sent that this is unacceptable. Gillies, Martin, Haley, and Godard (though I understand and appreciate why he left the bench) should not be playing hockey for a long time.
For the next game, the Penguins should have a response against Gillies and Martin. Nothing big. Just sending the message right back to them. Don’t sink to their level. If these things continue, it’s only a matter of time until something horrible happens to one side or the other. By that, I mean head hunting at Crosby (if back), Letang, Tavares, Okposo, etc. That cannot happen.
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-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Feb 12, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions
Doesn’t anyone here get it yet???? Teams around the NHL have had enough of the whining, cheap shot attitude & arrogance that has become the defining character of the Pittsburgh Penguins. You act like victims (LOL) but in fact the Pens have brought this on themselvesby taunting teams like the Islanders with bush league comments from the bench, defending trash like Matt Cooke, complaining about the league if it doesn’t side with the Pens 100% of the time. Never an apology (just more bush league crap … see Cookes’s lame comments) Step back and look at the big picture a moment. its not just the Islanders, its the Capitals, Rangers, Flyers, etc. Is everyone wrong? I highly doubt it … fans here need to stop looking at their team through rose colored glasses … there is a lot that needs to be improved in the Penguin World. Start by respecting other teams both good and bad and stop acting like victims all the time … because you are not
The point of you coming here to post this was….? You think by bashing the Pens (and really just Matt Cooke, who had nothing to do with the brawl) that it makes you look better? Is that it? Try harder next time because you didn’t prove anything. The league loves us so much that we lead it in penalty minutes, sure that makes sense.
At least next time you come over to moan, at least let it be on topic.
Letang Clan - ain't nothin to puck with
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.
In an effort to be objective I’ll try to break down your points and comment on each of them:
- whining - what do you mean by whining? if by that you mean that the Pens’ fans are unhappy when players get injured or are targeted by dangerous plays than how is that different from each and every of the other team’s fan bases? Are you able to somehow measure the whining of a team? I bet you can go to all the SBN Team blogs and you’ll see a massive wave of “whiners” unhappy about a loss/missed call/player injury etc. So I doubt that there’s any way to compare the whiningness of different team’s fans…
- cheap shot attitude – same question here – how do you define cheap shot attitude? Is having Matt Cooke in the line-up a cheap shot attitude? (cause this seems to be a fairly popular belief lately) So based on this criteria the Penguins are the only cheap shot oriented organization. Fair enough. But let’s look at the teams mentioned by you as a reference for objective judgment (if I get your point correctly) – Capitals have Ovechkin, Steckel, Bradley; Rangers have Avery, Prust; Flyers have Carcillo, Hartnell, Richars and the Isles… well (sorry to say it) obviously proudly have Gillies, Martin and Konopka. All of these teams and their respective players have been (suspended or not) delivering questionable, dangerous hits all of which have definitely been called cheap shots by the other team’s fans. So does all of this make the Penguins a cheap shot attitude team… in a cheap shot attitude league/division… sure. And just for the record – the very big majority of the people around this blog banished the Cooke-on-Tyutin hit as a dirty, dangerous and illegal one, so I guess we took off those rose colored glasses for a sec.
- arrogance (no respect for other teams) – I don’t know where this is coming from. As far as I’ve read and seen most of the people involved in hockey tend to share the opinion that the Penguins are one of the most classiest and respectful organization in the league. And I think if you watch some of the HBO’s 24/7 series you can see it yourself. I don’t remember any arrogant and/or bush league comments thrown out by any member of the Pens’ playing or coaching staff. Islanders fans are probably mad and sick and tired of losing… but it was not so long ago the Penguins were the bottom dwellers of the league and it was really, really hard and frustrating. But the reasons for that were mainly some management mistakes, questionable coaching and players playing well below expectations… all in all most of it was the Pens’ own fault. My point is I don’t remember thinking that when the other teams were enjoying their success it was arrogance.
- complaining about the league – if you care to read a bit more into the comments in this blog you’ll notice that a lot of the complaining about the league is not in defense of the Penguins. Most of the fans here are quite disgusted with the way the NHL is handling it’s disciplinary responsibilities and they’re not doing a good enough job at protecting the players’ health. I’m quite sure this is a topic at Lighthouse hockey also.
Being a sports fan all my life (a hockey fan only in the last 12 years or so) I’ve come to realize that objectiveness is hard to come by when it comes to your favorite team and even less so when it comes to your rivals. It’s typical for most fans to be convinced in a widely supported conspiracy against their own team and believing the other teams are arrogant, lucky bastards. Therefore I don’t expect that we’d reach a common opinion, but I hope you’d agree that putting labels on fanbases is quite lame and immature.
Apologies to all of you who cared to read the whole thing… it turned out quite long…
You have to see it for yourself...
by Bla Razor on Feb 13, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ah, another Rangers fan who thinks he knows everything. If you hung around here at all (or trolled, as more likely for you), you’d see not many people around these parts was actually standing up for Cooke. Most, if not all, felt he was deserving of a suspension.
And a game like the one between the Penguins and Islanders is not just on one team – it’s on both. You can sit there and say the Pens were trashing the islanders from the bench, but the Islanders were doing the same to the Pens. Neither team is better for it in the end.
Even the comment right above yours shows an example of how Pens fans are not happy with it either, so I don’t know how you can say fans are acting like victims.
Next time you want to make a comment, maybe consider reading a few on the site. Maybe then YOU’LL be the one who “gets it.”
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