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Waiving Goodbye: Who gets the boot?

 

As we all know, 2011 has brought with it a spate of injuries to the forwards of the Pittsburgh Penguins. As a result, we have had the chance to see how guys who would otherwise have been relegated to the AHL for the season, fare at the NHL level. There have been some Sterling surprises (see what I did there?), and some slightly more disappointing showings (like Tangradi's fall down the depth chart), but so far they are all still considered by most to be AHL players enjoying successful call-ups.

We know that Evgeni Malkin is out until next year, but everyone else has the potential to return to the lineup before the end of the regular season. If they do, and if there was no such thing as a 23-man roster limit, our roster would include the following 21 forwards:

Craig Adams, Arron Asham, Mike Comrie, Chris Conner, Matt Cooke, Sidney Crosby, Pascal Dupuis, Eric Godard, Dustin Jeffrey, Nick Johnson, Tyler Kennedy, Chris Kunitz, Mark Letestu, James Neal, Mike Rupp, Jordan Staal, Brett Sterling, Max Talbot, Eric Tangradi, Joe Vitale, Tim Wallace.

Since there is a 23-man roster limit, and since a team typically carries 2 goalies and 7 D, that leaves 7 forwards to send back to the AHL, a few of whom may be required to go through waivers to get there. So who goes down?

Follow me after the jump for more details on waiver rules, and how I think it could play out.

Star-divide

First off, let's be clear on something: the team is not sending Adams, Dupuis, Kennedy, Letestu, Talbot or Rupp down. They'd all have to clear waivers, and the team doesn't want to risk that. Of the guys on one-way contracts, the only one I take to be at risk of being sent to the AHL is Eric Godard: he would have to get through waivers, but I think he might clear, and we'd be okay without him if he didn't.

So we're talking about the following 8 players:

Name (GP-G-A-P) Age Playing Status Contract Status
Chris Conner (43-6-6-12) 27 Healthy UFA at end of this season
Eric Godard (17-0-1-1) 30 Suspended until March 12 UFA at end of this season
Dustin Jeffrey (13-4-3-7) 22 Cleared for practice Feb. 23 RFA at end of this season
Nick Johnson (4-1-2-3) 25 IR (Concussion, Feb. 16) RFA at end of this season
Brett Sterling (6-2-3-5) 26 Healthy RFA at end of this season
Eric Tangradi (14-1-1-2) 22 IR (Concussion, Feb. 11) RFA at end of next season
Joe Vitale (6-1-1-2) 25 Healthy RFA at end of next season
Tim Wallace (6-0-0-0) 26 Healthy RFA at end of this season

Second, here's the deal with waivers (as well as I can parse them out; feel free to check out Article 13 of the CBA for more details):

  1. When a guy is placed on waivers, he becomes available to the other NHL teams for a period of 24 hours. If he is not claimed, he stays with the Penguins' organization. If he is claimed, we lose him, and some other team gets him. It's how we got Craig F. Adams in the first place, and it's how we both got and got rid of Chris Bourque.
  2. Whether a guy has to go on waivers depends on a variety of factors including his age, the number of games he has played at the NHL level, the number of years since his first NHL game, and the number of games he has played in the NHL (or the number of days he's been on an NHL roster) since the last time he cleared waivers.
  3. Dustin Jeffrey, Eric Tangradi, and Joe Vitale are exempt from waivers due to their age + years/games played. Although he is 25 years old, Vitale is safe because he went to college first and this is his first year with games in the NHL.
  4. Nick Johnson, Brett Sterling and Tim Wallace are exempt from waivers provided they don't accumulate 10 games or 30 days on the roster since their last call-up. Sterling and Johnson were called up February 10th while Wallace was last recalled on February 12th; Sterling has played 6 games since his recall while Johnson and Wallace have made it through 4 games each. Johnson's "time on the NHL roster" continues to accumulate despite the fact that he is currently on IR. He can be sent back to the AHL before he returns from IR, but he will continue to receive the NHL version of his salary until he is concussion-less.
  5. One option for Johnson, Sterling and/or Wallace is to send them down for a day between NHL games, then re-call them -- which would effectively re-start the "10 games/30 days" clock. However, the team cannot do this artificially, or they risk being accused of attempting to circumvent the CBA. The only way to do this is if they can convincingly pretend that they think a particular injured player is about to come back, and then later claim that they were mistaken in that pretend judgment call.
  6. Chris Conner's 43 games in the NHL this season mean that he will have to clear waivers in order to be sent down to the NHL, despite the fact that he cleared waivers at the beginning of the season.

For the time being, let's presume that Shero doesn't make any more trades before the deadline. If he picks up a forward without removing any of these guys from the Pens' system, then this post will need a little tweaking. But until then, let's pretend it's not going to happen. Let's also pretend that all of our injured players are coming back.

That said, how should the Penguins manage their roster as guys return from injury?

The first question is whether there is a guy who is exempt from waivers, but whose value on the Pens' NHL roster for the rest of the season outweighs the risk of losing Chris Conner and/or Eric Godard. If either Sterling or Jeffrey had to clear waivers, or if Conner did not, I might take one of them in favor of Conner. But my current opinion (subject to change as I see fit) is that Conner is playing well enough to keep, regardless of the bittersweet sending down of Sterling and Jeffrey that would result.

That said, the second question becomes whether Conner or Godard should be put through waivers, if it comes to that. My current opinion on that (again subject to change as I see fit) is that we should keep Conner and waive Godard. Because Godard rarely plays, doesn't play during the playoffs, and can be effectively replaced in the star-protection department by Derek Engelland. I realize he's good in the room n'at, but I think the team's best interest would be to keep Conner over Godard.

What do you think?

Poll
Which one of the following players do you think the Pens should keep on their NHL roster for the remainder of the season?
Chris Conner
29 votes
Eric Godard
6 votes
Dustin Jeffrey
78 votes
Nick Johnson
0 votes
Brett Sterling
25 votes
Eric Tangradi
6 votes
Joe Vitale
2 votes
Tim Wallace
0 votes

146 votes | Poll has closed

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Not a big Conner fan. I say we keep kicking the tires on Sterling to see what we’ve got.

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by JustinM on Feb 22, 2011 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

second that

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Feb 23, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the dropping of Connor is a non-issue. He’s been around for a while & a big part of the rotation.

DJ & Sterling have earned their keep. I’m good with seeing them stay up. Beyond that, I’m okay with dropping Godsy & the AHL Boys, even if I kinda like the added insurance we get with him on the bench.

Key to note, I want Tangradi back in WBS so bad. The boy’s a disappointment this year. But he stays up till he recovers from that concussion. I think it’s NHL rules right?

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by Alighieri on Feb 22, 2011 9:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Who do you keep between Jeffrey and Sterling? You can only have one!

And no, they don’t have to keep Tangradi up until he recovers: they can send him down at any point, but he continues to get his NHL salary until he comes off IR.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I think there might be a team that will claim Conner on waivers, and I’d rather have him available to the Pens for future games.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

DJ. No questions.

DJ’s proven to be able to do things other than score. He wins FOs, kills penalties. I’ve yet to see Sterling cool down.

Any yutz

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by Alighieri on Feb 23, 2011 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

DJ. No questions.

DJ’s proven to be able to do things other than score. He wins FOs, kills penalties. I’ve yet to see Sterling cool down.

Any yutz can go on a point streak. It’s the making yourself useful when you aren’t scoring that makes a good NHLer.

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by Alighieri on Feb 23, 2011 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Any yutz can go on a point streak. It’s the making yourself useful when you aren’t scoring that makes a good NHLer.

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by Leafer87 on Feb 23, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d pick Jeffrey overall, but I chose Conner to stay since he’d have to go through waivers. No reason to risk losing a player. Jeffrey, Sterling, Wallace can shuttle up and down as needed. Plus while I love what all the WBS guys have shown so far, it is just a handful of games. Conner has been decent most of the year, and went through a great stretch in Nov-Dec where he looked really good. Sure he hasn’t looked as good since, but still aggressive on the forecheck and has that speed that can cause chaos for the opposing defense.

Since I doubt all injured players would be ready at the same time, it is a theoretical issue since guys will be sent down in some order such Vitale, then Wallace and then Sterling and DJ. Tangradi and Johnson are injured and would benefit from regular ice time at WBS, and will probably be reassigned to get back to playing again once they are better.

While it has sucked to see so many guys go down, it is nice to see that we have some forward depth for the 3rd/4th line. We won’t need to sign $1M vets to play those minutes with DJ, Vitale, Johnson and even guys like Wallace showing they can compete in the NHL. It’s nice to get the chance to see if they can sustain it. Although I’ll be very happy to see Kunitz, Letestu and hopefully Sid back sometime in the next few weeks.

by biedergb on Feb 22, 2011 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

I believe it would be a big mistake to waive Goddard

He just took a major economic hit for his teammates. Waving him when his suspension concludes would be about as crass an act as any one might encounter in sports. It’s the kind of thing that can destroy team morale and scare away free agents who have options.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Feb 22, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

This is a very, very good point.

Then again, they traded Whitney away while he was visiting his sick mother, so …

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

The Pens can choose to keep Godard for a “warm and fuzzy” reason or because keeping him is the smart thing to do.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Feb 23, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet you haven’t voted in favour of Godard in the poll. Hmmm …

(okay … you haven’t voted at all … but still!)

Why do you say it is the smart thing to do? Still with respect to the message it sends to potential new players, or for some other reason?

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 23, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Godard is awesome at what he does — one of, if not THE, best
And he doesn’t cost the team hardly anything — barely 1% of the entire cap
KEEP him, please!

by Diomedes7 on Feb 23, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It costs them a roster spot, though. And that’s the thing that’s really coming at a premium right now. I’m still kind of on the fence, but I’m not convinced that they need what Godard provides, especially given the fact that younger players are better than him at every other aspect of his game.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 23, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I consider it the smart thing to do...

…because keeping him for the duration will enhance team morale. I assume professional sports players are like anyone else. They want to be treated fairly. In this instance Goddard sacrificed 12.35% of his salary for the year just to demonstrate to his teammates and to the Pens’ opponents that someone has their back. Cutting a player like that as soon as he completes his suspension would send the wrong kind of message to the team as well as to potential free agents. I can’t see cutting Goddard as being fair in any way.

After all, at this point in the season, Goddard increasingly becomes a dispensable player. It is likely that he fail to find a new team until the 2011-12 season. That’s a long break between paydays for a player who did what Goddard did.

I’d say that keeping Goddard is important because he left the bench to fight Haley in place of Johnson. The Pens need someone like Goddard because other teams target their stars. Georges Laraque would have sent the fear of Hell throughout the league if he crushed someone abusing Crosby instead of merely skating over to s skirmish to put an end to a bit of trouble. The Pens would have only needed to show before a game Laraque sending Cotes’ helmet flying twenty to thirty feet down the rink once Big Georges return from his suspension.

Nixon and Kissinger called this the “Crazy Nixon” tactic. “Only God knows what Nixon will do when he learns….. He might use his nuclear weapons.”

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Feb 24, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. Thanks for the reply. You make a pretty compelling point, and you’ve certainly added a new perspective to the way I’m thinking about this whole thing. Of course, it also complicates matters a little more, which is no good because it was already kind of complicated. But I appreciate reading your thoughts on the matter.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 25, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Or you could say you’re waiving a guy who willingly took a 10 game suspension right when they needed warm bodies the most, handicapping his team.

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by JustinM on Feb 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The team did not lack warm bodies.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Feb 23, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is there no waiver exemption for injury call-ups?

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 22, 2011 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

Can you re-state your question in another form? (aka “Huh?”)

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Or ... wait ...

I think the answer is a definitive “I don’t know”.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay. I just meant that someone goes down, you need to replace him. I don’t think it’s fair for a guy to have to go through waivers when your healthy player comes back and you need to send the replacement back down.

On another note, muscle relaxers are good. Go Soma!

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 22, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to have to think about this, but my gut reaction is that I don’t like that idea. Part of the idea of the whole system is that guys can’t just be shuttled back and forth with no consequences for the team. I think it’s generally a good thing that a player who spends a bunch of time in the NHL is treated as an NHL player, and becomes available to other teams when the first team no longer wants them on their NHL roster. Here I’m thinking about players who do well enough to earn call-ups on a team like the Pens, but can’t crack the roster full time. By forcing the waiver issue they may end up being claimed by another team, thus making their way into the NHL there. Sad for the first team, but good for the player.

Also, I think it would be difficult to write the exception in such a way that would avoid a lot of the loop-hole-jumping. Like Conner, for instance: should we or shouldn’t we be calling him an injury-replacement right now?

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see that side of it.

I think it would have to be tightly controlled. You’d have to put the label on the guy that he is up to replace player X, and when play X comes back you have to send that other guy down. No funny business.

But I see what you’re saying.

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 22, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Do they give you the soma to keep you in line?

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by JustinM on Feb 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. it. is. working

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by PensAreYourDaddy on Feb 22, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be nice though for the NHL to say, “well, you HAD to call them up to keep the NHL team going so, you can just send them back without them going through waivers. You’ve been down on your luck enough”.

by Hegs on Feb 22, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we keep all of our Centers, as we have seen we need them from time to time. I say that Godard, Asham, Talbot (bold, and would suck but I think its in the books basically, unless he takes a pay cut) Comrie will be gone sooner than later.

I think we need Connor. He played soooooooooo well on our winning streak. He has been invisible lately, but so has 90% of the team. Connor is a good, solid Shero player IMO.

Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll!

by PensForTheWin on Feb 22, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

I’m surprised you think Conner is either better than Asham, Talbot and Comrie, or less likely to be claimed on waivers than those guys. Can you say more about your reasons?

Also, I don’t think our guys have been particularly invisible lately: they’ve just been put in a really difficult position, and have had to try and get by without much offense in their lineup.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Asham is a fighter, and we are stacked with those. Talbot is vital to to the team but I think he will get a better deal elsewhere, unless he takes a paycut, in which case we have to re sign him. Comrie – we have yet to see what he can do and teams might be less prone to take him with his injury. If we can re sign Duffman at less than a million and he can play 60 – 70 games, then that’s worth it. I just think our AHL guys come in with more heart and can do the exact same jobs those guys do.

Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll!

by PensForTheWin on Feb 23, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

So your comments are in terms of who should re-sign for next year, rather than who we should keep in PIT this year?

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 23, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. I think this year, we don’t really have anyone to trade. No one worth value of getting a big time scorer at least, especially with all the injuries. Would rather see Shero hit up the waver wire than trade players (unless the deal is sweet)

Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll!

by PensForTheWin on Feb 23, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. I see. I was thrown off since the idea of this post was to talk about who to keep on the roster (and who to send to WBS) as guys come back from injury over the next month. In terms of next year, I feel like this final stretch of the season will add some new information about who to keep and who to let go. But depending on how Comrie manages to fit back into the team (assuming he comes back), I actually wouldn’t mind a do-over on his league-minimum try-to-show-you-can-play contract for next year. He didn’t really get a chance to play uninjured and show what he can do over the season.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 24, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I would keep up Jeffrey and Sterling/Johnson (happy with either of those) if everyone comes back…Tangradi and Wallace back down.

Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll!

by PensForTheWin on Feb 24, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get why people are down on Tangradi. Before his concussion (a concussion he shouldn’t have I might add) he was playing good. Good enough that his production was better than his stats show. This injury sucks because it is a setback. Remember people he just turned 22. Don’t give up on him yet. I can only imagine if he does turn out to be what is projected of him plus we get our injured stars back next season.. Think about it.. A top 6 of:
Kunitz , Crosby, Neal, Malkin, Staal and Tangradi! Considering Pens fans have said we have money locked up with centers, defensemen, a goalie and good role players (Matt Cooke), where do we find legitimate top 6 wingers? Kunitz and Neal are certainly in that category and it will only help if Tangradi can live up to his potential if not I can see Kennedy or Jeffrey filling the role.. Either way this team is in great shape for the next decade at least…

by kirblu22 on Feb 23, 2011 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

I think Tangradi will improve, and has done so this year. But I’m still waiting for him to show his “full time NHL” colours, let alone his “NHL top-sixer” colours.

My feet are wet.

by PopRocks on Feb 23, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it’d be nice to see him earn a spot on the 3rd line next season
w/ J Staal being promoted to 2C its never too early to start the next “Best 3rd Line in Hockey”
(Cooke – Letestu – Tangradi?)
i know we have 2 LWs in there, but perhaps one can switch places. These guys are all SIGNED for next year.

by Diomedes7 on Feb 23, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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