Sidney Crosby Controls Pens' Cup Fate
Timo Seppa says what we all knew anyway, but backs it up with evidence.
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It puts into perspective just how dominant he was playing this year.
Give me Crosby over anyone else, and it isn’t even close.
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not sure. depends on a lot of factors.
we should prob let Ray Shero handle that part. (-;
if you are asking for an opinion or a WAG
then i would say something along the lines of what he is currently making
Who would you rather resign? Dupuis or Kovalev, because that’s what it may come down to.
by stoopidtom on Mar 10, 2011 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I still think Kovalev will want 3-4+ a year
we can get Dupuis for cheaper than that IMO
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
If kovy does want that kind of money, no way, but if he realizes that he has a better opportunity to win a cup in Pittsburgh than elsewhere, I think he might pull a Billy G and take a pay cut.
by stoopidtom on Mar 10, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Justin for posting that. Hopefully he comes back healthy for the cup run! Interesting to see what effect he has on Letang as well. Malkin was having a good year as well, I can’t believe we’re without both of them and still competing. But it definitely puts into perspective that our chances for the Cup win without both Sid and Malkin is not so hot.
Not surprisingly, what had looked like a top contender for the Stanley Cup has consequently transformed into a team that’s not of playoff caliber without its all-world center.
This strikes me as an unfair assessment. He seems to ignore all of the injuries other than Sid and Geno. Sure, missing eight or nine of our top guys we might not be playoff caliber, but once everyone is back, even without Sid I’d say we’re as good as the majority of the potential Eastern Conference playoff teams.
Unfortunately for the Pens, the renewed presence of the Selke finalist isn’t enough to make Pittsburgh a legit playoff team, even when coupled with GM Ray Shero’s astute acquisitions of Alex Kovalev, James Neal and Matt Niskanen (at the expense of Alex Goligoski), as they’ve proved to be a mediocre team with those additions.I’m glad he isn’t rushing to judgment or anything. How about giving the new guys some time to adjust to the system.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions
I’m not ignoring the impact Sid has on the team, and Geno as well, for that matter. We aren’t a realistic Cup contender without them.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 10, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's being unfair
I’m not sure if you’ve read Tony’s piece about Bylsma from The Confluence blog…but the gist is without saying it. Kovalev does not really fit into Bylsma’s system unless he’s scoring consistently. Nothing we didn’t know.
Also Neal’s contributions were largely due to Brad Richards, he’s not going to keep up that pace with Letestu or Staal as his center. Again, that isn’t that provocative of a statement…at least I don’t think it is.
i should add
that second paragraph was not in Tony’s piece. That’s been discussed here at length already
My problem was less with the statement about our recent acquisitions and more with the statement that the Pens are not a playoff caliber team without Sid and Geno. Do you agree with his assessment?
So that’s the main thing. But let’s get to the second part. Neal has been here seven games and Kovy six, right? In those games we’ve collected nine of a possible 14 points. That’s a point percentage of .643. Far from mediocre, but what bugged me more about it was he says they have “proved” themselves to be mediocre. Poor grammar aside, how can you suggest that seven games is enough time to prove anything, particularly when their arrival coincides with several key players either being out or just getting back to the team?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 10, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
he was looking at the #s.
the Pens winning % w/ Crosby is elite.
w/o him, the Pens winning % would only be good enough for 10th place — i.e., NOT a playoff team.
but that goes to your 2nd point — the new guys haven’t been given enough time to acclimate + other key players were/are ALSO out w/ injury: Kunitz, Orpik, etc. he doesn’t factor that in.
its a very good article, yet its reliance on #s is too simplistic.
The following bother me about almost every negative article I read about the state of the Pens, not this one in particular:
A) People refer to statistics “since Sid went out”, and then as “since Malkin went out”. Did everybody forget that Malkin was in-and-out a few times before this knee injury? He was back from IR for all of a couple minutes before getting re-injured. Why do people state our record since Feb 4th?
People also draw conclusion about the Sidless and Malkinless Penguins based on records since Feb 4th. We had like 12 players on IR at one point. A few of them were our best remaining forwards (Letestu, Jeffrey, Cooke, Kunitz). That’s insanity. Can’t judge that team that played during the lowest of our lows. Just can’t. This guy in particular asked why our other players didn’t step up – the only one left was Kennedy. Though by some miracle Kennedy really has stepped up.
And c’mon people, let’s give guys like Orpik some credit, too. He is huge for this team. It’s not just Sid that’s gone.
Yeah, obviously we’re the underdog. Not a playoff-worthy team? Who knows. You could never make that judgement mathematically. Small sample size, too many other underlying variables. Let’s not pretend that the Pens without Sid are equal to the Pens with Craig Adams on the second line.
by illbottleya on Mar 11, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
D’oh! Meant to put a B) and C) next to the second paragraph and then the measly one-sentance third paragraph.
s’alright, we got it!! All great points there…
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Didn’t Timmo Seppa do his projections before the season (after all the off-season signings were complete) and predict that the Pens were going nowhere because they had no wingers, defensemen who couldn’t score (and the loss of Gonchar to compound that issue) and their centers couldn’t do it all? Forgive me if I am wrong but I remember he had them low in the overall standings. Did they move to favourites in his estimation during Sid’s hot streaks?
by silvsiara on Mar 11, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
money quote
But ultimately, the long-term health of Crosby is the only consideration of consequence…Even if Pittsburgh was a co-favorite for the title, that still might only translate into a 1-in-7 chance of hoisting the hardware this season. Those odds aren’t worth risking five or more peak years of hockey’s best player (emphasis added)
by Diomedes7 on Mar 10, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
He states the obvious. Sid alone on ANY team makes you a contender. Seeding is irrelevant. I believe the Pens as they are playing at present, have as good of a chance as anybody. Why, because they have a good defense, and excellent goaltending. Not too many teams in the East has that. Sure all the experts are picking other teams. Last year nobody was picking the Flyers, at this time of the year. I’m not saying he ha his facts wrong, but there are intangibles in the playoffs that can not accounted for. I E. a hot goaltender, your matchups during the playoffs, injuries.
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I agree with some of this article, but not all of it. Anyone who says that Letang is a first-half wonder, or that he’s “tanked” lately or that Sterling was carrying our team, is living in his world of made-up and BS statistics and not watching the games.
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by ipenguin67 on Mar 10, 2011 5:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, ipenguins67. It’s easy to crunch some numbers and draw a conclusion, but you have to watch the games and consider many other factors. It must be frustrating for Letang to win battles and make a great outlet pass, and have nobdy there to finish it. I remember earlier in the season Bylsma made a reference to the fact that Crosby is getting so many points because he has skilled puck moving defensemen to start the plays, and specifically pointed out Letang. Crosby and Letang really complemented each other’s game, so it would make sense that Letang’s numbers would suffer. Even Steigy predicted Letang’s points would drop when Crosby it looked like Crosby was going to be out for a while – not to mention Malkin being out as well. It’s hard to take an article seriously when the writer refers to Letang as a “first-half wonder” .
I don’t think Letang would be playing 25 to 30 minutes a game if he “tanked”.
by tmpens on Mar 10, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
with both of you. I was reading the article making all these arguements up in my head so I am very happy to be reading the comments and everyone is basically on the same page. You both made excellent points. How insulting to Letang. geesh I hope they don’t read this, it’s all doom and gloom. The guys are playing great and the chemistry is going to keep building, I can’t wait for all these people to eat their words…
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You’re reading too much into it. All it says is that Letang in their player power rankings (based on GVT) has fallen a lot. Because Crosby is out and Letang doesn’t drive offense like an all-star forward.
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
I would agree if they hadn’t called him a “first half wonder” and said that he “tanked”. I can’t argue with the numbers, obviously he has dropped off offensively since Sid’s been gone, the whole team has dropped off offensively. Letang has taken on more responsiblity AND has a lot more focus on him which are not helping his stats. I just don’t like the name calling, it’s a biased article as I’m sure an arguement could be made to how much better the whole team has become defensively in Sid’s absence which makes me think that the PENS control their own “Cup Fate”.
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I guess youre not really used to the whole stats perspective, then. It’s not a biased analysis and don’t read into a subtext that isn’t there. The whole context is about numbers like gvt, and theres no doubt in that regard Letang was a first half wonder and has tanked the second half. Numbers .are heavily luck driven
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Well, actually, I am quite “used to the whole stats perspective” because it’s difficult to be a sports player/coach/fan/enthusiast without them. I am also “used” to people selecting only certain stats in order to tell one side of a story as this author clearly wanted to write a negative article about the Pens without Sid as it would surely garner the most attention. By the article being ‘biased" I meant it’s only telling one side and it is only stating the offensive side. Also, as a sports player/coach/fan/enthusiast I know that stats are just stats and do not reflect the desire of a team or player to win, and I know that the Pens and Kris Letang have that desire times a million, with or without Sidney Crosby.
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by mummabear87 on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am also "used" to people selecting only certain stats in order to tell one side of a story as this author clearly wanted to write a negative article about the Pens without Sid as it would surely garner the most attention.
The Pens are much better with Sidney Crosby. They may not be good enough to win a Cup without him.
What’s so offensive about that?
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
If the author had said that, I’d have less of a problem with what he wrote.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
It’s too bad the stats people’s style is kind of taking extremes, but they’re the smart dudes. Just gotta parse it for what it’s worth. They’re not attacking teams or players as much as the conventional wisdom surrounding them.
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll come back to the same question then – do you agree with his assertion that the Pens are not a playoff-caliber team without Sid and Geno?
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 11, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how good the Pens have been possession-wise without Sid and Geno. Best I have is GVT, which says Sid + Geno ~ 22 goals versus threshold ~ 8 points. So yes, but barely. The defense is too good. Actually, may not be so unlike the Capitals—strong PK and goaltending, solid defensive depth, good guy playing 1C (but performance screams 2C), and nothing else much standing out.
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that he was saying Letang was a “first half wonder” and that he “tanked” is, imo, an "attack"on the player and not “conventional wisdom”. And that was the jist of my comment. See above.
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when you look at goals and assists, Letang was a “first half wonder” My fantasy team would attest to that. Your assertion that Letang has kept battling and hasn’t looked as bad as the writer is making him look is also true. Letang is a complete defenseman, if you’re only looking at goals and assists you are missing half the picture with Letang. Most other defenseman are either viewed as an Offensive D-man or Defensive D-man. Letang happens to be the best of both worlds.
If you don’t look at “tanked” as he’s given up and doesn’t like playing without Crosby, and instead look at the point totals with Crosby and without you could see why an “outsider” would see that if he hasn’t been consistently following this team like most of us have.
Letang is still great, he’s still one of the TOP defenseman in the league but you can’t argue that his points haven’t dropped dramatically since Sid’s been out.
To be fair, this isn’t one of the best “stats” articles; Seppa is a little sloppy and doesn’t pay homage to just how injured we’ve been at times.
Also, I’m not sure why this made it to production: we don’t really need an article telling us the Penguins are better off when Crosby is healthy and playing.
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GVT, QCOMP, CORSI are all made-up stats that I don’t buy into one bit. Or at least certainly no more than the ones that are official NHL stats – and we all know Letang’s point total (or Adams, as another example) do not speak anything of his value to the team.
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Ignoring the gist of your comment, Corsi is incredibly predictive of a team’s future success (this has been documented in dozens of articles). In fact, NO ONE has been able to point to a better predictor of future performance. What is made up or stupid about that?
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by GoPens! on Mar 11, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here’s the line of thinking:
Have the puck more than the other team, and you’ll win.
We don’t have exact zone time numbers, but if you have the puck more than the other team, you’ll probably have more shots than them.
Corsi correlates almost exactly to offensive zone time (the NHL kept track of this stat for a season or two).
It’s the Red Wings puck possession philosophy. Surprise, surprise, since the lockout the Red Wings have iced the best team (counting all six years combined), including three of the best (2006, 2008, 2009). Pittsburgh has been elite (north of 55% in Corsi) since Bylsma took over. Chicago was far and away the best last season, Vancouver is easily the best this season.
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by red army line on Mar 12, 2011 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
Zone time versus Shots/Fenwick/Corsi
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by red army line on Mar 12, 2011 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
LIke I wrote before, Crosby injury not only cost him numerous trophies, it will cost Letang the Norris Trophy.
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With the way Visnovski is playing lately for Anaheim he could be a late favorite for it. He’s been ridiculous lately.
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I don’t think Lidstrom would have lost it—he has too much reputation for people to see how he’s been worse than in previous years (either that or Brad Stuart is really, really bad). I still think Letang is a finalist.
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
he is a finalist but winner? It’s gonna take some convincing after his production slowed after Sid & Geno went down.
Personally, I’m rooting for him but it ain’t the end of the world if he loses. He’s still got plenty of years.
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I think Letang should win, but I highly doubt he will win. Letang has the best underlying numbers, but Lidstrom has the name.
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by red army line on Mar 11, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like the Awards committees probably don’t try much anymore. “Lady Byng? Who cares, just give it to Datsyuk. Selke? Nominate Kesler, Datsyuk and pick a random third guy, try Richards or Staal. Norris? Make it look close, but give it to Lidstrom. Hart? What about Ovie? Does he deserve it? Probably not, but people love him. What the hell.”
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by ipenguin67 on Mar 11, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, 65 goals and 56 goals sound pretty valuable to me ;)
Selke is the toughest, probably, since there are lots of no-name guys like Jay McClement who don’t put up points but are so good defensive they get matched 100% of the time in the D zone against top lines (obviously exaggeration, but you get my point).
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by red army line on Mar 12, 2011 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
Little birdies are telling me Sid has been symptom free most of this week and if all goes well will be skating sometime this weekend.
Take it for what you will, they are little birdies as I said, not exactly credible info
[Bylsma also reported “nothing new” today when asked about Sid. However, he was specifically asked about symptoms and this is the first time he did not give a direct answer, every other time he has directly said “Sid still has symptoms” and this time he sort of dodged it. Also, logically the Pens would not immediately say Sid is progressing as he could make it to another step in his recovery, have the symptoms re-emerge, and be back to square one, so I still have a small sense of hope that this “symptom-free” rumor is true]
Are these the sorts of birdies you see after a concussion-causing hit to the head, or do they have names?
I’m tired of unsubstantiated rumours and vague references to “sources” that may or may not be reliable.
i might be an idiot.
that is a copy paste from a forum but the guys news usualy is correct so I have confidence in it
but if this is true and he does start skating then when do you guys think he would be back on the ice
I think if this is true, I would wait longer than normal given that he appears to have had some setbacks with symptoms re-emerging with activity (I’m guessing this is the case by the way). Normally they go from one day to the next, advancing through stages of activity, but the RN in me would want to have more days at a particular stage for someone who has had setbacks….just to be sure…..Totally hypothesizing, of course, since we all basically know nothing, but I’d say wait a week of no symptoms associated with the bike or walking before considering skating where, in general, more of the brain needs to work to move the muscles but also retain balance on a pretty slim blade.
May I ask what forum this is?
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 10, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
then when do you guys think he would be back on the ice
My non-doctor,don’t even have a college degree yet, so don’t take my word for it guess? If he stays symptom free, I would say that he’s back playing games after 3-4 weeks (wouldn’t surprise me to see more, even if Sid gets cleared to play within that time limit—this is, after all, the best hockey player in the solar system we’re talking about. Having Sid sustain his second (or third) concussion in less than 2-3 months would be absolutely devastating to the NHL and the Pens).
It pains me to write that estimate because I don’t think we’ll be seeing him this season, unless your birdies are correct.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 10, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
If doctors clear him to play, I say good luck to whoever has to tell Sid that he can’t play anyways. I hope that Sid would be smart enough to agree to stay off the ice, but this sport is everything to him. I mean, if the docs are sure that he’s good to go on that date, I don’t know what I’d want to see. See Sid have a few games to get his timing back for the playoffs? OR throw him right into the fire that is the NHL playoffs after a 3 month break but be on the really safe side?
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 10, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
at the same time i want sid to score a sidtrick on the isles to anyone who dosnt know what a sidtrick it is 12 goals scored in one game
this is, after all, the best hockey player in the solar system we’re talking about.
I checked so believe me when I say it’s not just the solar system – he’s the best player in the entire universe.
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yeah
but did you adjust for Mars’s QUALCOMP figures?
by AronV on Mar 11, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes I did.
And before you ask – he also leads the Andromeda Galaxy in every single hockey sabermetric stat in all the multiverses.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 11, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Your little birdies unfortunately are wrong. Blysma when asked if Sid was symptoms free, answered “nothing new to report”. In my book it says that nothing has changed.
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Dudders had a different theory about what Bylsma’s answer might mean. I think I like it.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 10, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
and remember he was taking photos with kids the other day at that charity event so i guess he can be in front of flashing lights now? The flash might have been off but w/e its still good to hope
and by know means am I for rushing crosby back I personaly would rather him stay out till next season that way he can spend the summer working back his muscle and improving another part of his game.
He was bowling and doing interviews before that too though
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 11, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
All I am saying is what he answered. He did not leave the question hanging. I thought the answer was pretty clear. I don’t blame anyone for having wishful theories, but as it stands. “Nothing new”.
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His answer was definitely worded differently today. I was reflecting on that during my run, debating whether I was just heavily into wishful thinking or seeing a difference in the response. I decided that I do see a difference in the wording for the answer. That could mean nothing, but could also mean something. So, basically, I’m no further ahead in my thinking, but I continue to at least be happy that every time we see him he is clearly feeling better and more like the Crosby we know.
and bylsma is known for that kinda thing well idk if its know just somthing i notice about him
he likes to mess with reporters so that could just be a little hint or him screwing with them
I mean, if this whole rumor is true, I don’t think Bylsma is messing with anyone. In fact, I’d say that he said “nothing new” in order to not mess with anyone. Can you imagine if he had said that Sid’s been symptom free for almost a week and might do more physical activity before anyone knew how Sid would do during those activities? I would rather wake up one morning to see that my Twitter feed has exploded with news of Sid having a successful and symptom free skate, thank you very much =] I don’t want to get my hopes up, only to be disappointed with the news that it didn’t go well.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 10, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I have to get off this emotional rollercoaster…I want to believe but I need some hard evidence…
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by mummabear87 on Mar 10, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I, like everyone, thirst for knowledge of progress with Sid, I’m with you in that I would much rather awaken to news of symptom-free skating than to hear of progress, only to have that followed by news of regression. So, if that means that people avoid giving a direct answer, or just don’t report any change until they are sure that the change is symptom-free, I’m totally okay with that…even if I do get that headache from still trying to sort through the words to find answers :) lol
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Suppose Sid comes back and the Pens have a really, really solid playoff run that ends in much celebration and parades. I can’t help but think what it would be like to be Evgeni Malkin in that scenario, and feel a bit sorry for the guy. Not that I don’t already feel bad for him, but you (hopefully) get what I mean …
i might be an idiot.
I don't think it would be a big deal,
because the whole time he would know, they were doing it for Geno.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 10, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I had the same thought PR. I’m sure he would be thrilled to see his team win and truly happy, but also sad to see it happen without him and to know that it could happen without him. I’m hoping that means he comes back hungrier to show his all-world skill and worth to the team. We know he is worthy, of course, so I’m not suggesting otherwise, just hypothesizing.
I’m sure he’ll be pretty sad to see us lose without him, too. Either way, I think you’re right that he’ll come back that much hungrier to dominate the league once more.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 10, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Part of me likes it but part of me worries about 2 east/west players with exceptional skill and the wish and ability to hold the puck being on the same line. Add an excellent forechecker and backchecker with strong north/south tendencies to the line and I think I’m more comfortable, though I’d have to think about that, too.
put cooke or one of our grinders on that line or even staal and its perfect
genos problem was he never had a good puckhandler or sniper on his line
and he would have that with kovy
this is if kovy signs in the offseason of course
Sid and Kovy belong on a line together. They can both finish and they both make otherworldly passes. Case closed.
"Those goals just rip the heart right out of your stomach." - Edzo
okay. I’m not sure how Kovy fits better with Sid than Malkin but you are entitled to your opinion. Crosby needs players that keep up with him, like Kunitz, Dupuis, Neal. Not a slow dangler like Kovy. Seems to fit Malkin’s style better IMO
Kovy has speed, he just looks slow/lazy, much the way Geno can at times.
"Those goals just rip the heart right out of your stomach." - Edzo
I parsed that wrong.
I missed the ‘s’ on “speed”.
And it seemed like an odd thing for you to be telling us.
i might be an idiot.
I agree. I think Sid and Kovy would do well together, but I like the idea of a Kuni-Sid-Neal line much more. Plus, can you imagine what Geno and Kovy would do together? In my personal opinion, Geno needs a skilled guy on his wing and Kovy would provide that…he’s just gotta resign with the Pens (good luck with that).
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by AllieLXXXVII on Mar 11, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
I have to say that I am sick to death of all the “Crosby-less” talk. Or the “Pens minus Sid”. I love Sidney Crosby as much as the next person and I want him back on that ice happy and healthy and scorchin’ all opposing players. But the Pittsburgh Penguins are NOT a one man team and these guys have all stepped up at some point or another and will CONTINUE to battle through whatever adversity is thrown there way. It is since Jan 5th that we have seen the true colours of this team shine through and that is why I love this team as a WHOLE and not just because Sidney plays for them. I would like to see them get some credit for what they have accomplished without Sid’s name being mentioned. Sorry, don’t mean to rant but I just find it all so frustrating.
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Get better soon Sid...
Exactly. It’s a team. Crosby is without a doubt the best player on it, but you can’t pretend one super-star equals cup. There’s a whole new story line to follow here now and it has been exciting. So much adversity outside of Sid’s injury has hit this team and they’re slowly pulling everything back together.
All this Crosbyless talk… kinda makes you miss reading about how Sid gets too much attention and Bettman rigged the NHL so Crosby’s team will win.
except we are without TWO super-stars. Malkin would be a first line center on most other teams.
There’s just not enough talent down the middle to win the Cup without Crosby coming back. If we had Geno healthy, it would be another story.
I’m not taking anything away from Geno here. My point is all the media attention referring mostly to Sid’s absence, Geno gets some mention as well as the other injured guys but the majority is all about Sid. I just want some recognition for the team.
At this point, from what I have seen from these guys, I will believe in this team until the very last game…
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Get better soon Sid...
by mummabear87 on Mar 11, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I wasn’t (and I don’t think very many are) trying to say we have a favorable chance at the cup. It’s going to be an uphill battle for sure.
My comments have been more about saying “don’t write our eulogy before we’re dead”.
Also, in the spirit of your comment, I think if we do go into the playoffs without Sid, I will try to refrain from even mentioning his name in hockey related discussions.
welll...
I love a good Sidney convo so no need to go that far, but thanks for the support!! lol
We at Pensburgh can talk about him all we want, I just want all the reporters and writers and commentators to shut the heck up for awhile!! I know, total hypocrite and a little selfish.
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Get better soon Sid...
haha that’s why it takes me a while to read/respond to Sid comments on here.. I just don’t like talking about it :(
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this
No one wants to hear about Sidney Crosby anymore. The people that don’t care couldn’t care less with how the Pens are doing without him, and the the people that do don’t like to be constantly reminded of it.
I’m looking at you, CBC
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 11, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
haha, yeah, I think I had 87 followers last time I checked.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 11, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
My inbox is still at 187 messages, Microsoft Word is still zoomed in to 87%, and today I used 87.8 MB on one of my harddrives.
Certified Crosbovski lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
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lol
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Get better soon Sid...
And my iPhone is 87% charged. Spoooooky.
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"He loves hockey. He has soul." Mike Babcock about Sidney Crosby :)
Get better soon Sid...
by mummabear87 on Mar 11, 2011 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We'll make some noise in the playoffs but....
This years team is much stronger on the blueline that in years past and it’s being reflected in Fleury’s play which was much of our problem last season. We have the #1 PK in the league, the Pens defensive stats are all in the top in 10. 5 on 5 also in the top 10, goals per goal also top 10. this all despite losing Sid and Malkin (and Staal) at various points for 1/4 of the season. the power play is the only negative. I think our chances are as good as any other team in East. the playoffs are much tighter games, we’ve been playing them the last 2+ months.
Hot goaltender/Good “D”/timely scoring = Our chances are still pretty good if we keep playing the way we’ve been. that’s what the playoffs are all about. the ‘Cryers’ and ‘Crapitals’ goal tending will do in those teams again this season
My guess is Sid won’t be back this season but that does not mean we should write it off if he doesn’t play..
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by PensFanInDenver on Mar 11, 2011 9:36 PM EST reply actions
Leafer would love this one
Duke 87
Maryland 71
Great score, not to mention a great result.
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by PensAreYourDaddy on Mar 12, 2011 7:43 AM EST reply actions
Playoff run
We have ten games left. Half of those games are against teams that will make the playoffs in the east, as well as Detroit in the west. Now that everyone is becoming healthy and we can hopefully go injury free the next ten games, I feel we can make a little noise heading into the divisional round. It’s a tough schedule though as these playoff bound teams are mostly their respective division’s leaders but if we can stay injury free and give our new guys and the recently healthy guys a chance to mesh together we could do some damage for sure.
by Tick Rocchet on Mar 12, 2011 8:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
hallelujah!
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Get better soon Sid...
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