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It’s no secret that it was coming, a hearing that is. And there’s still little doubt that Kuny will get a suspension. However, there have been hearings before with nothing coming from it.

by LightningCoach on Apr 19, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Like the hearing that Torres had the other day.

by StripesForLife on Apr 19, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but we all know that there’s a difference between a hit where a guy doesn’t leave his feet and one where he does—or where he leads with an elbow to the back of the head.

I’m sorry, but Torres didn’t deserve a suspension for a clean hit that warranted, at best, 2 mins. for charging.

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by docciavelli on Apr 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, you thought it was clean?

To get it out there for discussion, I don’t like the focus on when a guy left his feet. I think it misses the point. If a guy explodes upwards toward the head, it’s dirty. It doesn’t matter when the foot left the ice. If you are throwing a clean hit you explode in a more horizontal manner through center mass. Torres lined up an unsuspecting opponent and got all head. That’s not an accident. I don’t really see why he would deserve a benefit of the doubt on that hit, either.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 19, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone have a clip of the Downie hit? I still haven’t seen it.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 19, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Or I could read the post right below this one on the main page…

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by Rob Parker on Apr 19, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

hah there’s always that, but we won’t judge

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by FrankD on Apr 19, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My money’s on two games for Kunitz, due to the deliberate nature of the elbow. Downie, probably one simply for leaving his feet. The fact that Lovejoy and Gagne skated a regular shift afterwards lessens the punishment.

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by docciavelli on Apr 19, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Seabrook returned but is going to miss tonight’s game. We’ve seen too many examples of guys returning to play that game and then missing lots of time with concussions for me to accept that rationale. I do agree, however, that it’ll be a big factor for Campbell.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was not pleased to hear Seabrook’s answer when he was asked why he didn’t go for the 15 minute check after that hit. “It’s the playoffs and I wanted to play”. He went off for the mandatory 15 minutes after he played another shift, including another hit. I understand he wants to play, but the league and his team in particular, need to enforce that new rule if they want it to be effective. I hope he is okay. But, we all know that upper body injury can mean a number of things, including head.

by SuMac on Apr 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree that the ability of a player to finish the game (or most of the rest of the game, in Seabrook’s case) shouldn’t be as much of a factor in determining punishment. However, by analogy, our justice system hands out different punishment for attempted murder and first degree murder, which is based solely upon whether the victim lives or dies. It doesn’t make any particular crime any more or less heinous, just that the result is different.

As far as players returning, then missing games, I think most of that happened before the league instituted the “quiet room” rules, where head injuries are scrutinized a bit more closely during the game in which they happen. If we look at the Crosby example, under current NHL rules, he’d have never come back during the Classic.

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by docciavelli on Apr 19, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like analogizing sports to criminal law.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not?

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by JustinM on Apr 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, why not? Not criticizing. Just curious. We do for discipline in other work settings.

by SuMac on Apr 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are just way too many differences. The analogies break down in important places and make the principles inapt. For one, there’s the entire branch of “assumption of the risk.” For two, we aren’t talking about depriving anyone of life or liberty. There isn’t a criminal action in most cases. Civil laws would be more appropriate, but are muddier and less forceful so people always want to bring up attempted murder and crap like that. I know that doc knows what he’s talking about in the legal context, but most people don’t and they just spout off without really having any clue what they’re really saying.

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by Rob Parker on Apr 19, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I game for Downie, per McKenzie

by SuMac on Apr 19, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

1 game for Kunitz.

by SuMac on Apr 19, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

That's it??

Holy crud I think the Pens will take it!!!

by LightningCoach on Apr 19, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. The lack of any record helped I’m sure. Plus, I bet he admitted stupidity at the outset. That always helps and gives the appearance that a stronger deterrent is not needed because he has already figured out himself what a dumb move it was.

by SuMac on Apr 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, no doubt the NHL talked to Bob Daniels for a character reference.

Kunitz is a good guy and just a good person in general. I can’t imagine he would do something like this with ill intent.

by LightningCoach on Apr 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole Bob Daniles thing was a bit of a joke, obvisouly.

That was Kunitz’s coach from College at Ferris State.

by LightningCoach on Apr 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, that reminds me that Down Goes Brown had an article about why Kunitz is a cool dude (a year or two ago?). Worth searching for sometime when you’re bored.

by illbottleya on Apr 19, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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