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Pre-July 1 Conundrum: What will Ray Shero do about Jaromir Jagr, Tyler Kennedy and Pascal Dupuis?

With the 2011 NHL draft in the rearview mirror, Pittsburgh Penguins management has to quickly shift gears even before unrestricted free agency opens up this Friday.

The right wing position on the organization's depth chart is practically empty.  Evgeni Malkin and Jordan Staal both figure to slot into center ice, and the team's best wingers, Chris Kunitz and James Neal, are natural on the left side. 

Tyler Kennedy, coming off a good year, is still an unknown in a full-time top six role.  His agent is looking to cash in on a 21 goal, 45 point season with a strong case for arbitration that could easily see him awarded a salary of $2+ million dollars per year.  Pascal Dupuis, serviceable though not terribly productive in a top six role, is an impending unrestricted free agent.  Ar Dupuis' age, this is likely his last chance to sign a top dollar contract, and one for three or more years, if he can get it.

Thanks to the salary cap going up to a top limit of $64.3 million dollars, General Manager Ray Shero has about $8 million in space, give or take a little.  Right wing is the glaring need, but he also needs to add a fourth liner and a forward with penalty killing skills.  Dupuis and Maxime Talbot were two of the team's heaviest lifters on the PK, both are unrestricted and Talbot seems all but gone. 

Jordan Staal and Craig Adams will be staples of the PK unit, with Matt Cooke too.  But Cooke has an extreme question mark on whether or not he can adapt his game effectively to stay in the lineup without making a dangerous/dirty hit that will surely draw another severe (and possibly career ending) suspension.  Even if he amends his game, that's three PK'ing forwards for a team that usually rolls with 5-6.  Sidney Crosby could take some of the burden, but it remains to be seen how wise it would be to put him in a regular non-offense, injury prone role that will zap more of his energy away from what he does best, creating offense.  Guys like Kunitz, Neal and Mark Letestu could also be options to take PK shifts, but not necessarily great ones in the all-around scheme of things.

All these moving pieces create a lot of uncertainty before the storm.  But the storm is about to hit and decisions need to be made.

More, after the jump..

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Somewhat surprsingly, coach Dan Bylsma has been publically positive towards adding Jagr.  Shero, on the other hand, has been a little more frosty, in not yet making a contract offer.  The negatives are clear: at 39/40 years old and three years removed from the NHL, how much Jagr has left is an honest question.  How his attitude on and off the ice would fit in with the young, uptempo, north/south Penguins team is another legitimate concern and not a perfect match.

A lot has been made of the turmoil Jagr has brought: he famously has been cranky (at best) about systems he doesn't like or fit, and he's not a natural fit for Pittsburgh's current style.  But let's not forget Mario Lemieux used to regularly over-ride coaches- including no less than legendary Scotty Bowman- for ideas that he did not like.

Jagr, from all accounts, seems genuine in his interest to return to the NHL, and for a reasonable price of $2-3 million dollars on a one-year contract.  Jagr's short list of teams is Pittsburgh, Detroit and perhaps a "mystery" team which most believe to be Montreal.  From his contract demands, he's looking to join a contender and not just coming back for a pure paycheck.


Tribune-Review writer Rob Rossi laid out the cases of Jagr, Dupuis and Kennedy with the knowledge he has.  Rossi's plan (in a nutshell): try to sign TK by Wednesday, or deal him if the demands prove too high.  Offer the valuable and versatile Dupuis a three year deal for $1.7 million per year, a deal Rossi thinks that Dupuis is likely to accept.  Then make a firm one year offer for Jagr and see if the Czech will follow his heart back to Pittsburgh where his career started.

I would echo many of these points.  First, Jaromir Jagr must be dealt with.  If Shero drags his feet, JJ could easily decide to go to a veteran-laden Detroit team that probably fits his game more.  The Pens should make their interest clear for Jagr, and if the price is under $3 million, there's enough room under the cap to make it work.

Secondly, try to lock up Pascal Dupuis.  The cap has been continually rising every year, and a ball-park figure of $1.75 million for three years makes sense.  Dupuis, on a 3rd line with Cooke and Staal, would be an ideal fit and gives the Pens the penalty killer they need.  If he wants more money or longer term, move on, but it's reasonable to believe it'll work.

Finally, there's a little more time to deal with Tyler Kennedy.  Even as a restricted free agent, TK is unlikely to draw an offer sheet from another team.  Arbitration cases won't happen for weeks, which means the team will know Jagr and Dupuis' statuses by then.  If one or both veterans sign on, walking away from an unfavorable arbitration case makes a lot more sense, being as the Pens right wing situation will be secured.  If the Pens need Kennedy, they would have enough space to keep him.  And, hopefully, in between now and the arbitration hearing, TK might be able to be signed for a friendlier price.

Finally, for the fourth line, the Pens could promote Joe Vitale, an energy center not unlike Talbot. Vitale is better on faceoffs than Talbot and at just $512,000 Vitale is a friendly cap number and would allow Craig Adams to shift to a more natural role of 4th liner right winger.  If Vitale doesn't have a good training camp, other young players like Nick Johnson or Eric Tangradi would be nice NHL options as well.

The Penguins have a lot of moving pieces and a lot of different scenarios that will play out before and after July 1.  The time to set the wheels in motion are now, and the decisions made in the next few days will ultimately shape the 2011-12 roster.

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I’m going flipping crazy over here waiting for Shero to make a move on these guys LOL. JUST DO IT!

by MrChadysPens on Jun 27, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with both you and Rossi. Good overview, Hooks. I look forward to the decisions over the next while. I’m sure we’ll all debate their overall worth, but it will be good to see more of our team come together. Plus, all of the debate gives us something to tide us over until training camp begins again :)

by SuMac on Jun 27, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s kind of scary how much sense Rossi has been making recently.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha. I almost wrote that myself but left it out. Very true. He’s been much more analytical and, therefore, more interesting for me to read

by SuMac on Jun 27, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I was just thinking that yesterday. I don’t know what has happened to him since the “trade Malkin” trollish days, but lately he has been the best journalist covering the Penguins. Thoughtful, informative, making good use of twitter. I haven’t heard anyone pick on him in ages, when we used to do it every day.

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by Cari on Jun 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is resigning Asham completely out of the question?

by xaryss on Jun 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

No, it’s not out of the question….but I don’t think it’s likely.

If Asham were still sitting out there in August, I could see the Pens maybe look to bring him back on the cheap again…But I get the sense the team may want younger guys like Nick Johnson and Joe Vitale to compete for the 12/13th forward spots.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Shero needs to lock up Dupuis immediately and then see if we can get TK to a reasonable salary. If not, trade him off and try to at least get a pick out of it. I hate to loose him, but I just don’t see TK as someone who is going to keep up the pace we saw at the end of last season.

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by spookygeek on Jun 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Price equal, I'd rather have TK than Dupuis. And neither over Jagr.

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by Jon Ross on Jun 27, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you, Shero needs to sign up Duper, and Trade TK. Very good breakdown of the situation Hooks and Rossi.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

TK will never be more then a 3rd line winger & occasional top 6 forward when someone gets hurt for a few games… yes he cashed in while sid, geno were out… give him credit, he stepped up, when no one else did or could… but LETS SELL HIGH on him now..

by cmypath78 on Jun 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I’m not sure if Shero would want to trade TK at all, based on how restricted free agency rules are explained here.

If I understand that correctly, I think the best thing for Shero to do with TK before July 1 would be to make a qualifying offer. If TK rejects that, then he still remains a restricted free agent after July 1. That would allow other teams to negotiate with TK. If he signs an offer sheet then, Shero could either match that deal, or let him go, in which case the Pens would receive draft picks from the new team anyway, based on the new salary. If, on the other hand, TK files for arbitration, then the options for Shero are to continue to negotiate, or to see what the arbitration ruling is. If the ruling is too high, then the Pens just walk away and TK is able to look for another team(worst case scenario). However, most teams may not want to wait that long to see what his outcome would be, and will probably sign other players instead, giving Shero more leverage in negotiations leading up to the arbitration hearing.

by gilathiel on Jun 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Right. Shero will extend the qualifying offer to Kennedy, which is really just a formality at this point to retain his rights.

The problem is losing the asset for nothing. TK almost surely will file for arbitration, which starts a ticking clock. Teams almost always end up paying more than they want if the case goes to the hearing, they like to avoid it at all costs.

Thus Kennedy’s value in a trade to a different team is higher now (when the team has longer to re-sign him) rather than when the wheels get in motion for arbitration.

All that said, Kennedy still has value to the Pens, who above all else would rather re-sign the player than look to trade him.

So, you’re right to say Shero’s hand isn’t totally forced right now on Kennedy, he could wait a while. But for planning purposes, Shero needs to fill gaps on the RW, and if TK isn’t a part of the solution, might as well cut bait now and focus on signing someone this Friday.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great insight, Hooks!

Finally finished my own look at the Free Agency issues:
A Plan for Free Agency—No Charge for The Advice, Ray!

I’ll agree with you on a number of things—Mike Rupp being one of them. But I think the Pens should bring back Talbot despite last season, and I’m skittish on a three-year deal for Dupuis at market rates. Finally, I’m not sold on Jagr. I think there are better options on the market in the $3M range—particularly right-handed shots that can play the left wall on the man advantage.

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by docciavelli on Jun 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

my guess is (and what I hope happens is:):`

1. Dupuis gets signed.
2. Jagr gets a one yr deal
3. TK gets let go and we sign another F/A winger (Hook’s I’m with you on this one)

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by Randy F on Jun 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

My preference would be to sign Kennedy for about 2 years, $2 million.

I do not know if his agent would go for that though.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree with that. Kennedy’s going to get more than $2M/yr. But he won’t go as high at $3M, and let’s not forget that there are other scoring options out there on the market for RW (Vrbata, Ryder, Jagr, etc.) that a team could pick up for under $4M/yr. The difference is that Kennedy has the potential to be better than he has been if given a consistent top-6 role, whereas all of the other options are/have been at the peak of their careers, production-wise.

I think as long as Kennedy can be had for $2.5M or less, the Pens should sign him. At the worst, they’d have an above-average third-liner, and there are a number of NHL franchises out there spending more than $2M/yr on their better third-line players. It’s not like he’s Ruslan Fedotenko or anything, right?

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by docciavelli on Jun 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. I think Kennedy fits in a lot better than the UFA options. For, ballpark the same price, I’d rather pay TK 2-3 million rather than a Ryder, Higgins, LaRose, Vrbata type player the same amount.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not big on the jagr bandwagon. He’s got great history, but I think we need to spend that $3M/yr on a investment with longer term upside potential.

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by spookygeek on Jun 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

See: Kennedy, Tyler

No, I’m not saying Kennedy has a huge upside. He’ll probably never score more than 25 goals. But that’s a better upside than a 39-year-old who hasn’t played more than 55 games for three seasons now (in a less-competitive league, nonetheless).

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by docciavelli on Jun 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that’s a better upside than a 39-year-old who hasn’t played more than 55 games for three seasons now (in a less-competitive league, nonetheless).

That’s a little misleading, isn’t it doc?

2010-11: 72 total games (49 KHL reg season, 14 KHL playoff, 9 World championship games)
2009-10: 68 total games (51 reg, 3 plyf, 5 Olympic, 9 WC)
2008-09: 71 total games (55 reg, 9 plyf, 7 WC)

Granted- the level of play, and style of play has been a lot different, and the time spent away is a fact. But to just say he’s played 50 games a year isn’t really capturing the full picture of all the competitive hockey he’s played since leaving the NHL.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s all that misleading when you look at your qualifiers. The World Championships and KHL playoffs aren’t nearly the grind that the NHL playoffs are. Bigger ice and smaller (and less physical) players. When you compare that with the potential to play nearly 100 NHL games if the Pens make a playoff run, it really doesn’t add up to the sort of punishment he’d be subject to on the Pens’ roster next season.

One game against the Flyers doles out more physical punishment than three games against Ak Bars Kazan.

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by docciavelli on Jun 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no denying it’s a different breed, but just in sheer numbers it doesn’t add up. International play can be intense (think AO leveling Jagr in the Olympics). And playoffs are playoffs. No doubt it’s not as intense as in the NHL with smaller ice and more aggressive players, but it’s still the playoffs and a higher level of play.

That Jagr hasn’t had to absorb punishment for 3 years makes his body and legs, conceivably, three years fresher than he’d be if he had stayed in the NHL. Given Jagr’s fanatical dedication to maintaining his lower body strength (and the fact that his game was more power than speed based) I disagree with your first theory that Tyler Kennedy has more upside than a 39/40 year old Jaromir Jagr.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jagr won’t cost 3 mil. There are no wings out there with the potential Jagr has particularly in the PP, for what it would take to sign Jagr, (around 2 mil). If you can think of someone suggest it. It will also be a one year deal.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see Jagr signed for $2mil, but I don’t think it unrealistic he could go for $3mil or more, nor do I think the Pens should back down if that’s the case. There aren’t many guys in the league capable of scoring at a point per game pace, 25 or 39 years of age. It doesn’t matter if he’s 19 or 39, he’s driven and in great shape. All he’s lacking is top end speed, but there’s plenty of young players who lack the same (see Tavares, John).

by Skyff on Jun 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t see how TK is worth 2-3 million a year!

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by Dr Tre on Jun 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

My sediments exactly.

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by Randy F on Jun 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s just the new economics. $2 million is 3.11% of a $64.3 million dollar cap. $3 million is 4.6%

I mean, a team could hypothetically pay 21 players $3 million a piece and be under the cap.

—Look around, Eric Fehr (career high goals: 21, career high points: 39) got $2.2 million for 2 years just before his arb hearing last summer
—Clarke MacArthur got $2.4 million in arb from Atlanta (though ATL did not dispute much, since they knew they were walking)

$2-2.5 is well within what Kennedy’s earned in today’s NHL.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 27, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. TK is not a top six forward as Shero called him recently. He was last year by default. That doesn’t count, you have to earn it.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

His production made him one.

More so than his situation, he actually carried the offense for the last half of the season.

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by Jon Ross on Jun 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is not a top six forward, he’ll never match that production again. Mark my words. He wants a 4 year contract. I say no. Sorry TK.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. I think playing on either Crosby’s or Malkin’s line, he would not only have a good chance of matching that production, but bettering it. The only thing that would take away from his production would be the fact that he would be relegated to the second power play unit, but that would be offset by the extra minutes of playing on the top 2 lines.

by gilathiel on Jun 27, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a top 6 forward TK is not quite there yet, but he’s young and learning. He’ll get there. At a cap hit of around $2mil/yr for 2 or 3 years I’m game.

by Skyff on Jun 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He failed when he did play with Crosby and Malkin.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never was really given much opportunity to play with either for an extended period of time. At least Kennedy proved he could score playing top 6 minutes without the top 2 centers. Something we didn’t see from Neal after we traded for him, and yet he’s slotted to be a top 6 forward automatically. I see TK and Dupuis as similar players, with TK having better hands and Dupuis the PK ability, so I think he would be a good fit on Crosby’s wing, if we end up not getting Jagr. And if we happen to get Jagr, then Kennedy just resumes his 3rd line role.

by gilathiel on Jun 27, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be an option. But if we don’t sign Jagr, we need a better wing than TK. The jury is still out with Neal, I feel that after training camp with DB and Sid we may see better play by him. Unfortunately I doubt that if Shero signs Jagr he’ll sign TK for what he wants or could get in the open market.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, if we get Jagr, then there would be no need to sign TK to $2M+ just to resume his 3rd line role. Other options out there for that position for less money, possibly including Dupuis(which would be a good move to keep the PK intact as well).

by gilathiel on Jun 27, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never was really given much opportunity to play with either for an extended period of time.

I was saying that all season. But most of Pensburgh didn’t agree with me, alot of them thought he was a given a legitimate shot. Like I said, not me.

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by Lindas1st on Jun 27, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

TK on a 1 year contract?

What if RS offered TK a 1 year 2.5/3 mil contract, worst case senario he doesnt live up to expectations and we either resign him cheap or let him walk

by mattmac on Jun 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

For $3mil on a 1 yr contract we can do better than TK. $2.5mil would be the upper-upper limit I’d consider signing him for, but if we already had Jagr, Jeffrey and Rupp/Asham signed and still had the cap space I’d go for it.

by Skyff on Jun 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he’ll take it, he’ll probably get a multiyear as a FA.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No qualifying offer to be made to TK via Rob Rossi

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by PensForTheWin on Jun 27, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the update. I had that feeling all along. Best option then will be a trade.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Can’t believe he’s likely gone. Guess I need to update my FanPost.

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by docciavelli on Jun 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Rossi, in his next tweet, made a point of saying “for now”, so it’s not definite that he’s gone. If they aren’t able to trade him or sign him by Friday, it would make more sense to tender a qualifying offer instead of just letting him become an unrestricted free agent and getting nothing for him. Even if they go to arbitration and then let him walk in a month, they would still have the extra time to negotiate or hope that another team sends him an offer which would provide the Pens with draft picks as compensation.

by gilathiel on Jun 27, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, just saw that qualifying offers were due by 5:00pm today, so they can’t go the route of the qualifying offer for TK anymore.

by gilathiel on Jun 27, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats not Sheros color. He would have offered if they wanted TK back IMO. We will ultimately see but I think they have more respect for WBS raised wingers, TK to me is likely gone.

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by PensForTheWin on Jun 27, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree but it’s all very strange, unless TK’s agent wanted a lot of money for him, to basically put him in the open market.

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by Outcast on Jun 27, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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