Jagr Watch: Decision Day For Jaromir Jagr
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 AM EDT
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Today's open thread for what could be a crazy one-
Jaromir Jagr is in flight to the United States. His plane from the Czech Republic is expected to land around 3:00 eastern this afternoon, most expect his decision on where he will be playing this season to be known by about 4:30 PM.
The Pens offer for Jagr is for one year and believed to be in the range of $2 million (maybe a little north of that). The Detroit Red Wings seem to be the other team in the sweepstakes, offering a one-year contract believed to be of similar money.
In other news, the Penguins I believe have allowed the Toronto Maple Leafs to talk to Maxime Talbot about a contract. Word is, if Talbot signs with Toronto, Pittsburgh will receive a 5th round draft pick. But word on the street is that Talbot turned down a four-year. $1.7 million per year contract. I don't believe the Pens have officially traded Talbot's rights as of yet. So stay tuned there.
Yes, as of Friday, we could be living in a world where Max Talbot makes more per year to play hockey than Jaromir Jagr does. Crazy times, these.
Frank Update: I was driving into work this morning and developed a flawless, systematic formula that proves Jaromir Jagr will sign with the Penguins. If Jagr signs with the Pens (or any team for that matter - but let's remain optimistic) it will be his 19th NHL season. I'm applying the laws of numerology to this equation and saying he signs with the Penguins today.
Crosby's 87 - Jagr's 68 = 19
Malkin's 71 + 19 = 90 (Jagr's Rookie Year)
Maybe I'm drinking the Kool Aid, but I don't care.
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I am excited. Who would have thought the excitement for the Pens would have been before July 1st? I am looking forward to the announcement.
Agreed.
As I said on twitter in the days leading up to July 1…
—in ‘08 Pens fans had to worry about UFAs like Ryan Malone, Marian Hossa, Brooks Orpik, Gary Roberts
—in ’09 it was Rob Scuderi and Hal Gill that you knew the Pens probably couldn’t fit under the cap
—in ‘10, it was Sergei Gonchar (who wasn’t universally liked by all Pens fans, but still a premier player about to leave).
Nice for once this year to look forward to July 1 and not have to worry about losing that major of a piece.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
From a refutable Russian writer on twitter:
“Agent Zidek told me, today Jagr will make decision. He has three offers – Pittsburgh, Detroit, Omsk… #jagr”
Zidek is, I believe, the Czech agent for Jagr. And if Jagr is flying to America right now, surely that would point to an NHL return.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
refutable and reputable are two different things :)
It would seem silly to fly to US to pick Omsk at this point. And all indications on twitter from those “in the know” have him going to the Pens.
I don’t know what i’ll do if it’s not the Pens. Dissapointment is not a long enough word to describe the pain.
I agree. It would be stupid to fly to the US and say I’m going back to Russia. I do think he’s genuine in the fact that he wants to return to the NHL. I just don’t see what make Detroit more attractive than Pittsburgh (aside from contracts assuming they are equal).
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. It would be stupid to fly to the US and say I’m going back to Russia
Well, unless he feels the need to personally decline the Pens…
I don’t think that is what will happen, just throwing it out there as a possibility.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s going to be an interesting day. It sounds like Max really wants to try the UFA route. Good luck to him.
I keep trying not to get too excited about the potential with Jagr. But, it’s still building in my mind with pictures of future games flashing through. It’s going to be disappointing if it’s anyone but the Pens. Like Hooks, I hope that being on a flight to the US means it’s an NHL return and not Omsk
Personally, if Jagr isn’t coming back to the Pens, I would rather him go to Omsk rather than go to Detroit.
It will sting that he chose not to play for Pittsburgh, but to be honest, I’d rather him go to Detroit, personally. I’d get to see him play more that way. Even when he was with the Rangers I didn’t mind (’08 playoffs aside) because it was fun just to watch Jagr play.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see that point. I guess it doesn’t help that I was not into hockey when Jagr was playing for the Pens before so I don’t have that experience to reference. Still though, it’s Detroit…
Yeah it’ll suck that it’s Detroit, if it comes to that. Ideally it doesn’t.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
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Thanks a lot Hooks.
This is not going to be very good for my productivity level today.
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In sadder news..
Joe Depto says:
Via RDS.ca, The Pittsburgh Penguins are actively shopping Mike Rupp’s contract rights league wide.
Looks like the Rupper, unlike Dupuis, isn’t going to budge much
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Yes, that is disappointing. I was a Mike Rupp fan, but in reality he doesn’t offer much that cannot be found on the market. He will be missed but hopefully the Pens can at least get something for him.
Well said. I’m a Rupp fan, as well, but realistically, there are others who offer the same game. Perhaps not the same person off the ice, but it’s the game in the end that is important.
It sounds like they are more adament about bringing Asham back than Rupp at this point. Like you guys mentioned, these guys are a dime a dozen out there and they can find someone to come in and play at a cheaper salary than what Rupp is believed to want.
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping he would because he seemed to really like Pittsburgh. i remember him persuading Martin to come here last year. But if his price is too high, goodbye and good luck. He’s very replaceable.
Things have been quiet on the Asham front just like they were with Dupuis… I wonder if that means anything.
I believe in Geno.
I can’t wait for a team to overpay for Max and then realize half way through that first season how big of a mistake they made.
Yeah some team is in for a really rude awakening. And they’re probably going to sign him to a 4-5 year deal too.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
But then again, Tomas Kopecky just got a 4 year, $3 million per year deal.
I’d rather sign Pascal Dupuis to that contract than have Kopecky playing on it.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Your right they won’t get the production they expect on a 4 year $8 million deal. But teams like Florida and Pheonix adn others have to spend a lot of money to get to the cap floor. This is why free agents are so overpaid.
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t wait for a team to overpay for Max and then realize half way through that first season how big of a mistake they made.
This deserves to be posted again.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't hate on Max
Maybe he wants guaranteed more playing time… I can’ t blame him for that.
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
I won’t blame him for that either. However, he is not even worth 1.5 million, let alone the $2-2.5 million he’s probably going to get. That’s my one and only beef.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wish his production lived up to his legend in Pittsburgh so that we could have paid him more and kept him… but the reality is that a multiyear high paying contract would be a bad deal for the Penguins, so this is for the best although it makes me very sad.
I believe in Geno.
Bingo. He marketed himself very well, but aside from a few standout games I was not thrilled with his production.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d dispute how you think of “worth”. One (or more) GM’s are going to think he is worth $2+ million, so in essence, he is worth that much. It’s not a good idea, but market value is the true representation of a player’s worth.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I know this is probably crazy, but I caught a tidbit on the Madden show yesterday where Madden threw out the possibilty of trading Letang for Bobby Ryan. I’m not sure if where that came from, because I never heard it anywhere else.
My logic tells me there is no way, but it did get me a little worried. I would think Letang is the part of the core going forward, and if he could put together a whole season the way he played during the first half, Letang will be an elite defenseman for the foreseable future at only $3.5 mil/year.
No way. Madden is full of hot air (and a lot of it at that). That would not happen. They got rid of Goligoski in a move that more or less said (without saying it outright) that the team was prepared to rely on Letang as the go-to dman. No way they move him now for a forward.
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I agree. Letang is the only young defensemen of the core 4 signed. The others probably won’t be back once their contract expires (which I know is a couple years away).
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m on board with this too, Madden’s just spouting off.
And from an Anaheim perspective, I’m not sure they’d trade Ryan straight up for Letang. KL is a solid young defensemen, but forwards that mesh like Ryan/Getzlaf/Perry are pretty rare
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
forwards that mesh like Ryan/Getzlaf/Perry are pretty rare
Well, we already have one in Chris Kunitz.
That doesn’t really relate to anything, just sayig.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL obviously. But, I was just saying that he was one of the guys who worked well with superstars in Anaheim before Crosby in the Burgh.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Definately missed GOGO this season. He wasn’t all that good defensively but could atleast put some PP points on the board. Letang – Sid and Geno = mediocre offense.
Definatley interested in seeing how the two Defensemen Draft picks this year develope in the future to replace Martin, etc.
by STAALKINEAL on Jun 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Letang – Sid and Geno = mediocre offense.
Lol wut
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah hahaha never mind. I didn’t realize the dash was supposed to represent a minus. My mistake.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree – shame on me for evening repeating it – but it seemed so bizare I couldn’t get it off my mind. It seems to me that have been developing Letang into being their cornerstone on defense, and Letang is meeting those expectations.
Rossi and Madden were saying that those close to Sid have been telling him to leave the Pens when his contract is up two years from now (has to do with the way they thought the Pens mishandled the concussion situation).
I had a laugh at that one. We all know Sid wants to be here in the Burgh. I fully expect Sid’s next big deal with the Pens to get done a little over a year from now. It shouldn’t take long to get done once negotiations start; Shero has said numerous times that they will give Sid whatever money he asks for.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even know where they’d get that from. From everything I’ve seen (with my own eyes sometimes) Troy Crosby is very comfortable and happy dealing with Shero and Lemieux.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Once again, I forgot about the Dad element. I think the Crosby fam is adorbs, but Troy seems a little too there, if you know what I mean.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He is very active, that’s for sure. But he’s the #1 reason his son turned out to be as focused and dedicated as he is.
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Good point.
Well, I personally think Sid was born to be the player that he is and the type of player who can handle unimaginable pressure. However, Troy Crosby obviously had a lot to do with that too.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have my dad there helping me and giving me advice than all of the vultures in the business to be honest. At least you know it’s someone you can trust all the way.
As someone who is going through the worst six months of his life, I can say that having your dad there for you is priceless.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
Agree with this as well.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy was a pro I believe so he is not completely unfamiliar with the workings of the NHL.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
He was drafted, then, if I remember correctly, only played another year in another league before quitting. He never had a sniff at the NHL.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I emailed Hooks earlier but I’ll say it again here:
Expect Jagr to be a Penguin by the end of the day. He isn’t flying stateside for nothing and if met with an exact offer from another team, I’d like to think there is no way he chooses Detroit over Pittsburgh. I have a feeling he wants his career to come full circle in Pittsburgh. Shero wants it. I think he wants it. It’s as good as done in my book.
Now we just have to wait to know for sure.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
"Talbot turned down a four-year. $1.7 million per year contract"
What in the world is Talbo thinking?
Our crappy lucky team *WAS* better than your good unlucky team.
That is too much, but a lot of teams have a lot of money to spend in a very weak UFA class.
Talbot easily ought to make more than $1.7 on the open market…It only takes 1 GM to fall in love and offer a big contract, and Talbot’s not the toughest player to like.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the cap FLOOR is going to play heavily on his next contract. There are a handful of teams, including my Avalanche, that are currently sitting at less than HALF of the cap floor. Gotta spend some money somewhere…
Our crappy lucky team *WAS* better than your good unlucky team.
Maybe this is his way of giving US a reverse hometown discount. The contract wasn’t the best idea for the Pens and he knew it, so he’ll take his services elsewhere?
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
If he really wanted to do the Pens a solid, sign with Toronto so Pittsburgh can at least get a draft pick back. Instead, he’s probably going to wait until Friday and the Pens won’t get anything.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there only a draft pick if he goes to Toronto? Nowhere else?
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So far, it’s only broken that Toronto has asked to speak with Talbot.
Since it is public knowledge that Talbot refused Toronto and said he wants to wait until July 1, no other team now is going to bother calling the Pens about talking to him, because they know the answer. (He’s not going to sign with them early).
In the words of Fleury: Suck it, Talbo
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
My mistake, I thought you meant if he went to Toronto on/after July 1st, the Pens would get a draft pick.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 29, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope the extra dollars are worth it...
…when 3 years down the line he is buried in the minors to get his cap hit off of an NHL roster.
Sheesh, don’t these guys look at Redden/Souray etc. and realize that PLAYING in the NHL is more important than making as much money as possible?
Get your money, Talbo, but realize you are hastening your retirement with a deal like this, not prolonging your career.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Jun 29, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s going to be over-paid to that extent of a Redden/Souray.
Talbot probably gets $2 million and for a few years too long, but that’s not the worse contract in the world. He can be a decent 3/4C if he can stay healthy and is good on the PK and brings energy. Surely worse contracts will be signed.
I’d rather have Talbot at $2 mill for 4 years rather than Kopecky at $3m for 4 years, for instance.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheesh, don’t these guys look at Redden/Souray etc. and realize that PLAYING in the NHL is more important than making as much money as possible?
This.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheesh, don’t these guys look at Redden/Souray etc. and realize that PLAYING in the NHL is more important than making as much money as possible?
Is it?
Put on your dancin' shoes.
I’m with you on this. If I played a physical sport like hockey or football, I’d make the money while I can to cover the necessary health issues following retirement.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 29, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What in the world is Talbo thinking?
Just wanted to second this thought. He’s been making barely over a million, and his play has been barely worth that, if you ask me. The Pens offered him 4 years, too!! I think he’ll be lucky to get 3 years at 1.5, unless some team just spends money to get to the floor. Even so, there are a lot of guys out there more worth that money.
This is just craziness, but I’m actually glad he rejected the offer b/c I think the Pens can do better than Superstar for $1.7M per year.
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He’s been making barely over a million, and his play hasn’t been worth that, if you ask me
Fixed.
The Pens offered him 4 years, too!!
The Pens (only) gave him 3 years. I was shocked that they thought enough of him to even give him that many years. I figured, if a contract was to be offered by the Pens, it would be 2 years at most.
I think he’ll be lucky to get 3 years at 1.5, unless some team just spends money to get to the floor.
Some team will offer him $2-$3 million, you just watch. When it happens, we can all laugh in their faces.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Why all the angst on Max?
Given that LEague Minimum is big $$$ in my book, it is somewhat surreal to be discussing the differences between $1.5M and $2.2M etc etc.. however I don’t think he’s jumping ship. Look at Scuds, The Pens were offering 5 years, $2M per ($10M), while LA offered 4 years at $3.4M per ($13.4M), wouldn’t call him a ship jumper.
GMRS is pretty tight with the $$$ when it comes to the negotiations, that is a huge asset in this salary cap world. The Pens are one of a handful of teams able to offer less to keep guys in town. That wasn’t always the case.
Hockey is a rough sport who knows how long you play so for a guy like Max (8th Rounder) he probably doesn’t expect to play much more than 5 years more anyway so he needs to get what he can. Pens don’t have the Cap space, he wants to see what he can get. Good Luck to him. Sorry to see him go.
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by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just once, for a season, I would like see athletes say “You know what, I like this team, I like my teammates, I think we can win. What was that contract for- 3 years for $8 million? How about 3 years for $5 million instead?”
I think the agents push the players a lot to test free agency and even take the most money. Don’t forget they get paid a percentage and they’ll be unhappy if the player takes $5 million vs. $8 million.
Ultimately it does come down to the player, but don’t think for a minute he doesn’t have people in his ear telling him to take more money.
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Ultimately it does come down to the player, but don’t think for a minute he doesn’t have people in his ear telling him to take more money.
Most players, though this may sound rude, also have (at best) the equivalent of a high school education. They pay agents and advisors to remind them that an NHL career can be very short and end abruptly.
Frankly, it is all about the money, and it largely should be for the physical risks these guys take. If you can get a guaranteed contract of of 3×8 or 3×5, I’d advise the $8 every time. That’s a difference of $8 million dollars that the player may never ever be able to earn again.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That is why, in my way of thinking, you have to root for your team, rather than players.
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Definitely. As Jerry Seinfeld (I believe) said, when you boil it all down,.we just cheer for laundry.
There’s certain players that you get attached to and cheer for, especially maybe when you’re younger, that maybe you follow but really you’re a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, not a Max Talbot or Mike Rupp fan.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They pay agents and advisors to remind them that an NHL career can be very short and end abruptly.
This.
We should appreciate Dupuis signing for a bit less because it’s against the norm, not hold it against other players for getting their maximum worth on the market.
When you’re job hunting, would you typically take less to stay with the same company?
There’s always the issue of security (contract length) and comfort level… these all go into consideration and some players value certain things more than others. It’s naive to expect someone to work somewhere for 30-40% less than they could get elsewhere under the same term.
by Stephen Catanese on Jun 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
When you’re job hunting, would you typically take less to stay with the same company?
Depends on the company. If I really enjoyed working there I’d be happy to stay for less. But then I can expect to work till I’m 55-70, whereas hockey players can expect to work till they’re 35-40. Gotta make enough moolah to last yah.
Oh for sure, like I said, other things come into play like comfort level and how much you enjoy the company/area.
Say Detroit is offering Jagr $2.5 million and the Penguins are offering like, $2.25 mil… that’s still a big chunk of change difference, but you’d hope Jagr weighs the pros and cons and would come here for less money.
Now, Say Detroit is offering $2.5 million and those old rumors about Shero are true and he doesn’t want to go far over $1 million… well, Jagr may need to be a saint to come to Pittsburgh.
When all things are ‘nearly’ equal, you’d hope the athlete shows some loyalty.
by Stephen Catanese on Jun 29, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The NHLPA
is who you have to answer to if you decide to take a big discount. Agents, managers, etc. have their say, but the real pressure comes from the NHLPA and your fellow members, believe it.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Jun 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but I think that was more of an issue for Mario. He put up the best points/game in 2000-01 and no one knew what to pay him now that he was an owner/player.
In today’s NHL, the players are locked into getting a certain % of the revenue the NHL generates. If a superstar signs for less, that just means his piece of the pie is going to get divided up by his union brothers and he’s leaving more on the table for them.
Back before the cap, the PA wanted the players to take as much as possible, don’t see that as such a big issue….They’d flip shit in an extreme case, like if Crosby signed like $1 million for 10 years or something, but I can’t see them too upset about a 39 year old Jagr.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Jagr hasn’t been an active member of the NHLPA for three years now. So, in essence, he’s jumping into their pool. The less he takes, the more there is available for current players.
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I wasn't talking about Jagr
But more, discounts in general. But Hooks’ explanation sheds a little bit of a different light on it.
I know at least pre-cap that the NHLPA would tear you apart if they thought you were not demanding fair market value, as it drives the market down for everybody else. ie – if Sid Crosby signed for $5 milli a year, then how can anyone else argue they are worth more than that?
Things may be different now though…
by LastSonOfKrypton on Jun 29, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
There's also a difference in
a young player who hasn’t made his money yet(like Talbot) and an older player who has already made the majority of his money (like Dupuis).
It’s easier to play where you will be happier for non economical reasons when you are at the later stages of your career than it would be when you are still at the front side of your career.
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
It has happened
But money is money. Yes, the terms they are signing for are pretty huge. But keep in mind with tax rates/agent fees the players receive roughly half of their salary. Still a huge chunk of money but after hockey their career aspirations are not the same as a lot of guys. They will fundamentally rely on interest + whatever work they can find.
Now, I often think players do not take into account the costs of moving. Even If Dupuis could have gotten a few hundred thousand more, then a move probably isn’t worth it. You will need to sell your house and buy a new house. Amongst other things, the costs and aggravation probably are not worth the extra couple of hundred thousand. But a million more a year? I doubt Dupuis would still be here.
Sometimes though, stupid things like moving arrangements and housing are built into contracts (FA contracts anyway). It’s just a thought, but overall I do agree with what you are saying about not considering what it takes to move from one place to another.
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to think that if I were a professional athlete I wouldn’t have an agent. If you want me to do something, here’s my number, call me, I’ll think about it. My team wants to talk about a new contract? Perfect, I’ll see you tomorrow morning at 10. Cut out the middle man.
I’d like to think the same about myself. But I’m afraid that so much time would end up lost to contract negotiations and everything else an agent or assistant does that I’d eventually have to break down and get an agent just to recover that time for practice or family or anything really.
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Agents usefulness extend well past contract negotiations. From marketing, to helping you when you get traded to find places to stay to any number of other ideas.
If you’re a Sid Crosby you don’t need an agent, but the average NHL player (who needs to focus on hockey and staying in shape) is well served giving 1-3% of their contract to a pro who knows how to negotiate and maximize their value.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if you are Crosby
You need an agent moreso than the average NHL player. Sid deals with endorsements and publicity more then most NHL players. Agents will help get the best endorsement deals for Crosby. They also act as his PR agent.
I get that the regular NHL will never have as much money as Crosby, so in a way they need to maximize every pay check. Yet Crosby has a lot more money at stake.
Good point. For marketing and off-ice deals a star would definitely need an agent to maximize. For the hockey contracts, as a star, an agent doesn’t do too much.
Really when I made that post I was thinking of Dirk Nowitzki, who works as his own agent and has saved millions and millions of dollars in agent fees over the years.
….But his own merchandise/product placement/endorsements are not nearly as big as other NBA stars.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I am curious to see
What endorsement deals Dirk receives in Deutschland. He isn’t the most marketable player in the US. I wonder if he has an agent for Germany. But I agree — a star player like a Crosby or Nowitzki don’t need an agent to obtain a high contract.
From my understanding
Dirk doesn’t care about endorsement deals, he only cares about playing basketball and winning…
Seems like an all around great guy.
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I love Dirk
There are certain players you love watching because they are dominant in a textbook sort of way. Then there are players you love watching because they defy the textbook, they are different and dominate. Dirk falls into that second category for me. There is something special about it. Kind of like Big Ben. He may not get it done the way everyone says you have to, but he always gets it done.
Yea
but Dirk isn’t a PR nightmare either and seems to be a good guy that you just want to root for…
Can’t say that for Ben…
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What do you mean? What has he done?
/just-woke-up-from-a-5-year-nap
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is 3 years @ 5 mill
enough to buy a unicorn to ride through the Magical Forest of Idealism?
by HandsofSweed on Jun 29, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. When your first day job is to eat/sleep/practice/play hockey, you’ll quickly grow tired of your second day job of marketing/marketing/talking on the phone about yourself/marketing.
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
He came to the Penguins (and the NHL) and won the Stanley Cup...
He’ll leave the Penguins (and the NHL) after winning the Stanley Cup…
bank on it!
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
$1.7mil for Talbot? And he turned it down? What?
by Skyff on Jun 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Darren Dreger posted on tweeter that the Leafs asked the Pens permission to negotiate with max, but this didn’t go anywhere. Today the Leafs contacted his agent again, and his response was that Max will wait to test the market.
The Hockey Dr.
Thanks for not letting the Pens even get a 5th round pick out of this Max.
(Not that he owed it to them)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t blame him for not wanting to go to the Leafs, they’re still a few years off unless they can land Richards at a good price. The guy wants another cup and Toronto likely won’t be the place for the duration of the contract.
JJ and Max
$2M for a year. That is a good deal for the Penguins. Have to believe JJ will have at least something left in the tank and at that price it is affordable. Would love to see him finish his career right and win back the Pens fans who were booing him. I’ve always thought #68 should be retired in Pittsburgh and by coming back that possibility would increase greatly. Besides start your career with a couple of Cups, finish with a couple of Cups!
As for Max. Hate to see him leave but it is inevitable. A player of MT’s level has certainly got to take a number of things into account;
1. At his skill level will he be a viable NHL player after his next contract completes. Stands to reason he’d want as many years as he can get.
2. Keeping point #1 in mind, does he want to make as much $$$ as he can but have to play with an also ran like say the Panthers or Islanders and make more money but have little chance of winning another Cup.
3. I supposed point 2 will win out, an agent can convince him that even the Panthers can, with high draft picks, recover much like the Penguins did from mid 2000s in a 5 year span.
Good luck on both counts Pens. Hope JJ is back and best wishes to MT. Always be a Penguins Hero.
If Talbot turned down a 4 year 1.7 million per contract
then either A) He doesn’t want to be in Pittsburgh or B) He’s an idiot.
Hopefully good news today on the Jagr front… I’m feeling good about this!!
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If Talbot turned down a 4 year 1.7 million per contract
then either A) He doesn’t want to be in Pittsburgh or B) He’s an idiot.
The Penguins did not offer him that contract, Toronto did. If Talbot agreed, the Pens would have traded him for a 5th round pick.
(But this does not mean that either one of your A/B conditions aren’t true)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Ahh
I read it as the Pens offered him that and when he turned that down they allowed the Leafs to talk to him.
So I’ll change that to if he turned down that contract FROM THE PENS then A or B :)
Him turning it down from the Leafs(while still a bit surprising) wouldn’t be that big of a shocker.
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yeah, I can’t grasp why he turned that down, I guess he’s hoping some other team will be stupid enough to offer him more.
I wouldn’t have minded him at 1.7, though I think 4 years is a bit long.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You all should check out twitter
Everyone is watching evry single step Jagr makes.
They want to know every thing he does, every move the guy makes.
They probably want to know when he craps too.
So long hockey: until next season.
October cannot come soon enough.
Let's Go Pens! Let's Go Canucks!
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by PensFanInDenver on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
Every breath he takes~
They’ll be watchinnnnnnnn him~
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
On that note, I have never really been interested in Twitter until more and more sports news and rumors started to break on it. Now I am actually interested in joining Twitter. I wonder if we can start a list of all the good feeds related to hockey or more specifically the Pens?
There’s a good list that has most of the Pensburgh regular commenters that Cari runs. I subscribe to it and keep track of what everyone’s up to.
Twitter is almost a must have these days. Even if you don’t want to update it, the amount of news that breaks is incredible.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
https://twitter.com/#!/CariGoPens/pensburgh
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow I was just following this thread and saw my name… if anyone is reading this who would like to be added, just let me know your twitter name
I believe in Geno.
Yes, you are listed — although since your tweets are protected, I’m not sure that you’ll show up for anyone who you haven’t approved as a follower
I believe in Geno.
I guess I would already be there since we follow each other, etc.
Any new ones to add?
So long hockey: until next season.
October cannot come soon enough.
Let's Go Pens! Let's Go Canucks!
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by PensFanInDenver on Jun 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe it or not, I signed up for my Twitter to use it at one of my internships, which they used it for it’s real purpose and reason for being invented: for inter-office communication. But then all of these bands and artists and then of course athletes and sports teams started using it and now it is a huge spot to get info. Teams will use that to announce draft picks before they are actually announced.
Some airplanes now have Wi-fi, actually.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafer87 and I were debating (kind of) about who’d be more valuable to the Pens next year, Jagr or Kennedy.
So my question is if you had to choose one of TK or Jagr, who’d you take?
Well, TK is definitely more suited for the Pens game than Jagr. But I happen to think Jagr and Malkin would be magic together.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, but then I never experienced the glory of the mullet. :P
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But, he’s a scoring grinder, though.
TK is a guy the Pens would keep if they were building for the future. However, since they want to win now, Jagr is probably the better option.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the Russian media are reporting that Jagr just signed with the Pens for $1.4M…but, really, it’s the Russian media (per @Ozman51 on twitter)
I would be thrilled if this came out to be the truth..but at this point I will take it with a grain of salt.
Apparently that’s 1.4 million EUROS (when converted, it’s about the $2 million American offer that was reported).
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I wouldn’t trust a Russian paper at all for breaking news.
Svoboda told Josh Yohe of the Trib that no final decision would be made until 4:00PM. I would trust that for the most part (even though I feel like it already has been more or less made).
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Same for me.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean
there isn’t a press conference AT the airport? As soon as he steps off the plane we must know ;)
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Repost from the other thread:
Robert Vollman sez:
Jaromir Jagr’s last NHL season, age 35:
82 GP, 25 G, 46 A, 71 PTS
NHL Equivalent of his 3 KHL seasons, pro-rated to 82 games:
82 GP, 26 G, 41 A, 67 PTS
He’ll be turning 40 in February
Timo Seppa sez:
Pittsburgh Penguins
The hole: Top-line winger
No team heads into 2011-12 with a bigger question mark than the Pittsburgh Penguins, who are one healthy Sidney Crosby away from vaulting themselves back to championship contention. But whether the concussion-plagued Crosby is ready for the beginning of the season or not, Pittsburgh’s hole remains the same: a true top-line winger to complement its captain or pick up the slack until he’s able to return. Ideally, we’re talking about a veteran right winger who can improve the Pens’ perennially struggling power play.
The fix: Sign RW Jaromir Jagr, UFA (12.8 GVT in 2007-08)
He’s 39 years old, three seasons removed from his last NHL campaign, and has donned the colors of the Washington Capitals and New York Rangers more recently than the black-and-gold of the Pens. That said, Jaromir Jagr is a slam-dunk future Hall of Famer, former Pittsburgh captain and two-time Stanley Cup winner. Further, he posted a respectable 71 points in his final NHL campaign and in the 2010 Olympics proved that he could still hold his own against the world’s elite. Based on his 42 points in 51 games in the second-best league in the world (Russia’s KHL), a 60-point season would be well within reach for the Pittsburgh legend. And if Jagr could duplicate his 4.65 PPP/60 from 2008-09, he’d instantly make himself the Penguins’ best option on the man advantage.
No way.
Malkin has one A.
Then, Orpik and Staal alternate.
Then, it’s Kunitz, down to CFA, and so on.
If he does, it’s only because a bunch of players are injured.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I would be as confident in my assertions as you are
Hopefully that’s a question that still looms after today ;)
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Maybe I should’ve been clearer: I cannot see them taking the A away from Orpik/Malkin/Staal just because Jagr comes in. Even though this is his second tenure with the team, he truly is coming into a whole new team and locker room. And although he may be a leader, the “A” is something that’s earned, not something that’s given. The only way Jagr gets to wear it is if players are injured.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Jagr will slot into the team, not vice-versa. Malkin keeps his A, and I’d assume they get to do the home/road split with Staal/Orpik, as they meant to last season.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Well, I kind of think Orpik would be a great Captain, but I know why Crosby has it and I think it’s well deserved. Sid has proved that he’s a good captain, possibly one of the best in the league.
To answer your question about the A, if it was me, I’d give it to Orpik full time.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Orpik would be a fine choice, but it doesn’t really matter- leaders lead whether they have a letter on their chest. Having the A only means you are able to talk to refs and obviously the recognition that you are a team leader.
I think it’s fine they rotate it a little. Keep everyone fresh and involved. Nothing wrong with that.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
That’s another thing. Things will be a lot different this time. Although I’ve heard to the contrary, I think Jagr may actually like the pressure not being on him.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jagr is easily the second greatest Penguin of all time
He didn’t leave on the best terms and was booed whenever he returned as a Capital or Ranger. But make no mistake, he will make it into the Hall of Fame primarly for his time as a Penguin and his No. 68 will hang from the raftors of the Consol Energy Center as soon as he hangs up the skates. Even though the Penguins are “divison rivals”, if Jagr does return to the Pens, I’ll be rooting for him to have a successful season (hopefully a little bit better than Kovalev’s second stint), he can easily put up numbers similar to Bill Guerin’s final year.
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jagr IS ALREADY THE SECOND GREATEST PENGUIN OF ALL TIME. Even if he never plays another games for the PENS. And he’ll be a first ballot Hall of Fame.
The Hockey Dr.
That’s what he said.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for your kind words. We appreciate it.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he can easily put up numbers similar to Bill Guerin’s final year
As a note of comparison: Guerin went 21 goals, 24 assists….On the power play he had 11 goals 7 assists.
Jagr will crush those (if he plays close to a full season) because he will have a lot more assists on the PP.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
He will
Playing with Crosby and Malkin should give Jagr ar least 20 – 25 goals and I’m not sure if he’ll reach 1,000 assists, but he should come close. Basically what I was trying to say is Guerin had a solid season playing with the Pens at 38-39 and there is no reason to believe that Jagr can’t have a productive season just because he’s 39.
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
if you look at or go by points then yes
jagr is number 2. if you go by the intangibles and points, its debatable. its hard to argue against #10, #25, and tommy b
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Update
Jagr landed in New York but refused to board the plane to Pittsburgh until he got a street hot dog.
NYPD: That bologna’s first name is Oscar!
/justawildguess
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ is just messing with us now.
As if we needed any reminder, this is a guy who does what he wants when he feels like it.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
he might not be in the Burgh until tomorrow. But in any case the decision is going to come down today.
The Hockey Dr.
Take it for what it's worth...
An airline employee just called the fan and said jagr is flying fom jfk to Pittsburgh.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The source, Chris Gates, is reliable.
The person feeding it to him, who knows.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Yeah, that’s what I meant.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand, just wanted to clarify for those that might not know Chris or much about the source on it.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Yeah, that what I meant by when I said “Yeah, that’s what I meant.” LOL haha
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Nis agent said it would be around 5 PM today. Cut the man a break, he just got here. We don’t even know if any of the Pens managment is there. What’s he going to do. Pull a Lebron James and call ESPN.
The Hockey Dr.
this
I want him wearing a Pens jersey as he walked off the plane…
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Shoot- he can borrow mine if he wants. On second thought, keep it.
Just sign here and initial here.
…….
Please?
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he brought the one with the mullet stitched to it.
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
24-36 hour old blogs the get printed out and delivered to your door.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That seems terribly convenient. They can leave mine inside the Milk Box. The Milk Man won’t mind.
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody remember that welcome he got in Washington?
Well, this one may be BIGGER!
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
Some rather shocking news
Jaromir Jagr has announced that he is taking his talents to South Beach
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
So he’s switching sports to basketball and/or football?
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was on the NHL network
According to ESPN’s Colin Cowherd, nobody cares about hockey
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you noticed, but ESPN shows baseball highlights in May and June BEFORE playoff hockey, which goest to show you how ESPN feels about hockey
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN is the MTV of Sports
Haven’t you guys realized that yet? They shit on any sport they don’t cover. If not for their College Football coverage (despite the massive amounts of lobbying and cheerleading they do to influence the Polls) I would hardly watch them.
NHL was wise to stick with VS and NBC despite their warts.
In other news,
what are the chances of Islanders signing Ernhoff without too much overpaying him (i.e. see Campbell contract) ?
They have already emailed every team in the league and said that they can’t sign him and if anyone else wants his rights to call them for a trade.
Columbus, though, it sounds like might sign James Wiesnewski (sp) from Montreal for upwards of $5 million per year.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
If I was advising a UFA d-man I would tell him to wait as well. Someone will do something stupid on July 1.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Darren Dreger
just said the same thing on NHL Live — about a minute after your comment posted.
There are bigger things in your future.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
I thought you were talking about Jagr for a second.
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point
I highly doubt that Jagr would fly to the United States to announce that he’s returning to the KHL, it looks like he’s a Penguin once more.
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Real Shame
All Kariya needs is 11 points to reach 1,000. He must get 1,000
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by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of when Obama last visited Denmark. All the news channels here were going nuts and were reporting from the airport for HOURS before he even landed. They kept going back to their on site reporter who said nothing to report and started talking about birds around the airport, or something.
To me, this says it all...
Penguins general manager Ray Shero said he has spoken with Jagr, who told him he wants to play for the Penguins.
Read more: Jagr on way to U.S., decision nears – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_744430.html#ixzz1QhWIZQd2
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
Man wouldn’t that be a kick to the nuts if he was flying from JFK to DTW with a layover in PIT.
Just typing that gave me a sick feeling in my stomach.
by Zuhbeenick Mickhawlick on Jun 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jagr flight diverted to Montreal to be Chara’s witness, at his meeting with the police.
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No not yet. Will be there soon.
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Damn, I just blew my own cover. I mean, Frank D’s cover. I mean…crap.
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Jagr has been wiped from ESPN’s frontpage.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 29, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
I suppose the sports world cares more about Tiger’s new Japanese endorsement deal than Jagr.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jun 29, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, just heard that, confirmed on the "4th Period".
No details yet.
Agreed.
Any one out there believe Drury, at a reduced $, could add value to the Pens. Or consensus just too “old” and too beat up? Or if Jagr signs, enough of the old guard?
Hah. Sorry.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jun 29, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jagr doesn’t agree to sign at the end of this long-ass and anti-climactic day I will be really pissed.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
source?
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright. I’ve been cramped in my cubicle, on my computer, for the last 9 hours. I can’t use my phone or internet for personal-browsing at work, so I had to watch the sports ticker, nearly 100 ft away. My eyes hurt…and this better be a sign of good times.
I MISS JAGR OK
The Lions are going 10-6, and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.
jj
come home, but leave the mop in prague
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
you know, we have more comments on this thread then....
a pens vs isles thread
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
Rumor seems to be that Jagr is flying to Pittsburgh, but who the hell knows what is going on at the moment.
The past 3 hours of Jagr watch have been unreal.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I know he’s not flying to Atlanta.
Too soon?
The Lions are going 10-6, and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.
Hahaha! Never!
He hasn't scored since the eighth grade picnic - Sir Michael Lange
by Kelly Fisher on Jun 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i know
these moves are just sick
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
and
embeded video fail!
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The next flight to arrive to PGH from NY (JFK) is at 8:30 PM. Supposedly he is on that flight everybody to the airport.
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by Outcast on Jun 29, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
post photos
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody here just want to see that dang salute at least 30 more times in a Pens uniform?
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
no
i wanna see him do it proper like…makes me wanna puke every time he does it…probably cause im ex military
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I am ex-military as well. Doesn’t bother me any. He’s just showing the world he is no longer armed. His weapon of choice just destroyed his opponent.
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hurry up and wait, right boys?
(Thanks for your service, btw)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
HA…perfect way to describe it, Hooks. For sure!
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
gah
makes me wanna force him to do smurf jacks till he dies
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha. Nothing wrong with that. I’m not sure what smurfjacks are, but they sound painful..a lot like monkey fu**ers
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
full squat jumping jacks, never going to a standing position. i credit them with helping terminate my career 12 years early…them and tearing both knees in hawaii walking up and down those darn mountians
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds painful for sure! The military is good at finding some seriously painful exercises are they not? Some that make you just wonder who in the world came up with it? Airborne not very good on knees either…
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
about 45
more minutes
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as it takes for him to sign on the dotted line as a Pen :)
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penguins hall of fame line
stevens-lemuix-jagr
tocchet-crosby-malkin
mullen-stall-????
murphy-coffee
letang-orpik
gonchar-u.samulesson
fluery
barrasso
wreggett
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
Little less Staal, little more Francis…
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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ronny on the right wing
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No Staal.
Kehoe, Pronovost, Kovalev, Straka before him.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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I love lots of guys. - leaflover4ever
clearly
you are inhebriated
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Not to be mean, but you misspelled Lemieux up there. Just sayin’…
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
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I love lots of guys. - leaflover4ever
+1
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fleury over Barrasso already?
(Also you’re missing Ronnie Francis from your forwards lines…Easy to miss with all the great players)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
yeah its tough
tommy b won two cups, fluery has one. fluery more of a fan fav then barrasso was during his playing days….id be curious to compare their records at this point in thier careers…
and i knew i was forgeting someone but thats why i left the rw spot open on staals line
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No Ronnie Francis?
BIG exclusion there. Take Ronnie over JS any day, and that is no knock on Staal. RF one of the greats of all time!
So, I don’t want to sound rude here, but I’m really struggling to see the appeal of signing a 39 year old who’s just spent three years in the KHL.
I mean, y’all are obviously excited, but I just don’t understand why.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
0.27 ES GPG in those three seasons, too.
I don’t understand it either.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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I love lots of guys. - leaflover4ever
For a lot of us...
I may be speaking only for me, but I would imagine there are others, having Jagr back represents more than just having a good player on the roster. I remember the story Hooks did when the Pens brough Kovalev back..it’s kind of like that, only much, MUCH bigger. Jagr was the guy I watched growing up and why I started playing hockey. The fact that he may be back gives me one more opportunity to see him in a Pens uniform. Plus, if they win the Cup…talk about storybook my friend.
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose I can understand the sentimental side of things, but I just don’t see it being good for the team. He’s old and declining.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Always good to see an outside perspective for sure. For one year…why not?
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember the story Hooks did when the Pens brough Kovalev back..it’s kind of like that, only much, MUCH bigger
Agreed. It’s a lot the same, but is it bigger bc Kovalev was a very good player for 6-7 years in Pittsburgh. Jagr was a scoring champ and a legend who won Cups over an 11 year stance.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
also nobody is talking about how terrible Jagr has looked lately...
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How so? He put up respectable numbers in the KHL and was the best skater on the ice in the World Championships this year.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
I was referring to Kovy..
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by Stros Bro on Jun 29, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
5 scoring titles in 11 years. An MVP. 2 Cups. And in the late ’90s when many of us were growing up (or impressionable hockey fans) he was the best player in the game.
If you don’t get Jagr watch, you probably weren’t a big Pens fan 15-20 years ago (And there’s nothing wrong with that). Quite simply, he was a superstar and a hockey icon
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
hewasis a superstar and a hockey icon (in pittsburgh)
fixed :p
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Depending on your definition, he definitely is a superstar. I would imagine other than 87 jerseys, 68 jerseys would be the most popular at CEC next season if he does sign with the Pens.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
can you imagine
what the home opener is he signs. the jumbotron welcome back montage will truely be something to behold
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Or just imagine the starting front-line
71-87-68
Unreal. (And you know they’d do that just for the very first shift)
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hooks, if I may correct you, for once. It doesn’t depend on anybody’s definition other than the dictionary. He is the 2nbiggest superstar in the Pens Universe. As I said before regardless of what happens. No one can dispute this , its a fact.
The Hockey Dr.
As of now, sure.
But even if Jagr joins the Pens- Crosby, Malkin and Fleury (at least) are going to be what drivers the Pens in 2011-12 to where they want to go.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
haha for sure I wasn’t, I’m admitting that right out.
The way I see it is he did all those great things a long time ago, and that was fantastic I’m sure, but he’s not that player anymore. He’s going to be 40 this year, his numbers in the KHL aren’t great and they’ve been declining. I just see it in the best interests of the team, as a non-biased observer, to spend that 2 million elsewhere, like on TK for example.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
tk
had a career year based on a massive increase in playing time due to injruies. i would love to see him back because hes a gritty dude who just doesnt know when to quit. but i dont think he is worth 2mil. maybe 1.5 but not 2
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I was just throwing his name out there as an example. There are any number of guys the money could be spent on.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna have to throw you a don’t touch…
by LightningCoach on Jun 29, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps
it has a bit to do with nostalgia, and perhaps it has more to do with his hands, his size, his power, and the fact that the guy is the best ero player to have ever played in the nhl.
lets just disregard that in the khl he doesn’t have any nhl calibersetup men or helpers to go to, those are just minor details
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lets just disregard that in the khl he doesn’t have any nhl calibersetup men or helpers to go to, those are just minor details
That cuts the other way, too; the defensemen and goalies he’s asked to play against are horrendous.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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true but its easier as a team to control one guy then it is for that one guy to consistently put up astronomical numbers against teams
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s ridiculous, he has played at the international level, and has proven your asesment wrong.
The Hockey Dr.
wg is right it cuts both ways, Jagr’s been out of the NHL for 3 years, but his body is in that much better shape for not taking the abuse.
If he could play 80 games in the NHL, I have no doubt he’d score at least 60 points….Which is head and shoulders above the production Pittsburgh’s gotten from their wingers lately.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Eh.
The one game I’ve actually seen Jagr in was the Russia-Czech Olympic game a couple years ago. Team Russia is a pretty good analog for an NHL team, albeit a little too skilled to be a perfect comparison. Jagr looked pretty overmatched in that game, though, and I’m afraid that the Jagr from that game is the Jagr we’ll have to watch 82 times this year.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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go buccos
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm an Astros fan
can’t make fun of the Pirates anymore :(
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
feel
our pain
FEEL IT!
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Svoboda reported that, as of 7:00 p.m., Jagr’s flight still has not landed at JFK International Airport in New York. While Jagr is en route to New York, Svoboda remains in Montreal.
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
something is going on
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
nhl goalies petitioned the TSA to have him put on a terrorist watch list and he currently is having his mullet removed for testing to verify it is hair and not a bomb
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
the airline delays
is shenanigans. im watching a realtime air traffic tracker atm and there are no delays at any NYC airports. one inbound from hethrow due in at 8pm.
pays to be an out of work aircraft maintenance manager i guess
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KJFK
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
good god, you’re tracking his flight.
This really is beyond my understanding. :P
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not his
all flights currently in the air. not that hard really.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haha right, because that makes it better. :P
Anyway I’m not gonna argue with you guys about this. I hope Jagr doesn’t sign because I don’t think it would be good for the team, but if he does, best of luck to him and the rest of the Penguins.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
can you name a better option
at a 1 yr contract for < 2 million?
It’s little risk, possible big reward.
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off the top of my head, no. But sometimes the best deal is the one you don’t make.
Anyway like I said I don’t want to get into an argument. I wish the best for the Pens, and I just happen to be of the opinion that that’s not signing Jagr.
by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Huge reward as a PP quarterback, if nothing else.
Jagr > Higgins, Ryder or anyone else.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
jagr=gonchar as a pp qb?
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so. But Gonch controlled it from the point, Jagr will do it from the wall.
Gonchar might have the edge, he could rush through the neutral zone.
But put Jagr with 71, 87, 58 and James Neal and that’s going to put up a lot more points than the 2010-11 Pens PP.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
well in all honesty
you could roll out 2 12 year olds, a blind man, a mute and a mime and do better
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
also
the whole concept of a 3 hr delay or longer i thought (and it appears rightly so) was hogwash. you dont see those delays in the summer….only over the hollidays are they really out there…or if inclement weather is around
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Are there pretty much just 50 or so Penguins fans sitting in front of their computers on this site waiting for an announcement to be made?
2
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
At this point I have no idea what to expect.
Nothing against Petr Svoboda as an agent but his quote “I have no clue” to where Jagr is right now is the craziest thing I think I’ve ever heard.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Agreed, either he’s a terrible liar, or Jagr needs a new agent who will actually give a damn when he’s “missing”.
I’m guessing it’s the first option, though
by EllieBear1 on Jun 29, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was playing Xenogears for awhile, but I’ve got nothing better to do for the next hour.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 29, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody at the airport?
the bird from jfk is on final now
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
pulling into
gate a14 :P
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This comment has reminded me that if nothing else, this will be a very memorable thread.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 29, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
bird has landed
that flight tracker link, double click the flight and you get gate departed from, gate expected to pull into, its atltitutde, speed, heading, vor reports, airfairs the pax paid
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, our great PK will defeat you! With the likes of Bett… wait… Pow… no… RICHA… ::Goes off into a corner and sobs::
ack my entire o is gone...FML!
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Powe, always thought of him as a great unsung player…Surprised with his K that they’d trade him.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Join the club. I’m thinking Eddie invested in the PA state stores and wants us drinking.
by VorAbaddon on Jun 29, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I did, but the only flight from Prague was this afternoon. Are you talking about the flight KFK PGH. In that case it is correct.
The Hockey Dr.
which is why
i dont think he’s in the air anymore. a bird just landed in detroit from jfk, and the one from jfk to pitt just landed. cant track anything to MON…but thier canadiean…who cares
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
in other news
sabre aquire the nego rights to erhoff and dwayne rollosson may be staying in tampa, final negotiations in work
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
All I ever heard was
that the Pens needed an answer today. Nobody promised that the answer would be made public today.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
wouldnt be this lively
as a rook no way he generates this kind of action. now yeah easily…just not back then
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
one better
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, the second I stop following this stuff is the second that Jagr announces his decision…I just know my luck.
i have the same luck
i figure about the time i hit the lottery will be the same day i acutally find a job again (been looking since november) and shortly therre after a bolt of lightning will kill me or a meteor will fall on my head or something
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I’ll be at work tomorrow (for ten to eleven hours!) and it’ll go down.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 29, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so Drury was bought out, wonder if he teams up with old pal Briere in philly
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend!
Avalanche have a lot of money to burn too just to get to the floor, could be one of the teams like that, that get him?
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend!
No team would pay him a lot of money at all. Drury has no leverage. He’s still getting a cut of his contract and has a bad knee.
by StripesForLife on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
hehe
the trib review has a #jagrwatch account
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
they still have two frames left
im just glad to see low scoring games from a pitching perspective…. o not so much…need pedro back and in last years form
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s stunning this team is over .500 with all the injuries.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jun 29, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
add in tabata
and its like walking into a battlefeild CCP…just absurd the number of wounded we have…
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just happy to see people who aren’t frequent BD commenters, on a hockey site, talking about the Pirates.
by thecheeseisblue on Jun 29, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ive been
sitting in solitude over the past decade and a half…playing mlb on the xbox going if i can do it why cant they???
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, this.
Good to see the buzz around this team really starting to return.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
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I love lots of guys. - leaflover4ever
as a side note
Sarah palin doesnt understand why people hate her
i lol’d
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
ok
nothing new on the sporting news, si, or the four letter (or cbc for that matter) i have resorted to failblog.org for fun times and beating on my favorite punching bag…palin…hurry up pls
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
All I can say, it makes a good show. But professionally speaking, it’s terrible for everyone from Svoboda to Jagr. How many times did they said he was on his way. He has to know if he made the flight or not. There’s something that stinks here.
The Hockey Dr.
i say
he somehow managed to find his way to the tsa’a watch list
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no major us news source has broken anything yet on it… so im not putting faith in said report.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
On a side note
This wait is ABSOLUTELY ricockulous!
There had better be one hell of a payoff at the end of this nutso journey.
All I know is that Sbovoda said the flight was late, but it was only late bi 20 mins. If he cane on the only flight from Prague to NY. As I said before somebody is not telling the truth here. Rob Rossi reported what Sbovoda told him. What happened?
The Hockey Dr.
any number of things could have happened
he coulda missed his flight, could been picked up in nyc but any of the tems hes intrested in. could be behind the lady who had to take off her diaper in the security line
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well
it is svoboda…he did play for the flyers…just sayin
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 29, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
was it us that set the deadline to know by today? if not there are a few scenarios as to why we havent heard anything
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend!
On the Pensblog Ustream tonight Derek talked to Petr Svoboda (Jagr’s agent) and the agent said no decision tonight and scolded the boys from Pensblog.
This was one of the funniest things ever on the interwebs!
Is it October yet?
I caught the aftermath did you hear the whole thing? If so, could you please email me a quick recap at hooksorpik at gmail
I’ll put a new post up in the next 5 minutes, definitely looks like no decision tonight.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
by Hooks Orpik on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Hooks had to step away and just came back after you already posted the new post. Antway here’s a quick recap:Basically they were just fooling around, they called Svododa like 3 times earlier and got his voicemail each time, which I think they were expecting this time. So when Svoboda actualy answered Derek was kind of stunned but held it together and then said he was “Ron Cook from Post-Gazette” and wanted to know if there was any news on the Jagr situation. After Svoboda reemed him out about the time. He thought it was to late for calls, (it was only about 9:30) he said no news tonight.
It was actually one of the most fascinating and hilarious live on the web ever.
Is it October yet?
Seems Jagr
flew into London on Britsh Airways and then into JFK instead of the Prague to JFK non-stop flight that only Delta flies.
http://keegdnab.tumblr.com/post/7063445196/jagr-watch-im-overthinking-this
FBI will have at least 100 new people on stalker watch now.
The Lions are going 10-6, and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.
by lolredwings on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the next we’ll hear that he flew to Pgh. via New Zealand.
The Hockey Dr.
by Outcast on Jun 29, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sportscenter just reported that the Pens signed Jagr to a one year, two million dollar deal.
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