Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Trent Richardson Interviews Fellow Brown Brandon Weeden

Scouting Meetings could mean a cross-road for Tyler Kennedy and other free agents


This week the Penguins are holding their scouting meetings and these conversations will map out a lot of different scenarios for how the team will look for next season and beyond.

Last season, Pittsburgh had a ton of defensemen about to the hit free agent market and we all know that they shuffled out Sergei Gonchar, Jordan Leopold, Mark Eaton and brought in Paul Martin and Zbynek Michalek.  And held Dan Hamhuis' rights for a brief period, a costly but ultimately effective measure.


Heading into this July 1, the Pens have the opposite situation with nine impending free agents.  General Manager Ray Shero has already announced that two - Mike Comrie and Alex Kovalev - will not be offered contracts to return.  It seems Shero has at least casually tested the water with most the other free agents to be, including a sit down meeting with Craig Adams that was "cordial" but did not end with a contract extension.

After this week's scouting meetings are over, Shero will have to act on the plans made to see if any of the FA's can be retained for a deal that makes sense for team and player.  Shero has been active in the past trading player's rights just before July 1, he acquired Hamhuis and sent away Gary Roberts and Ryan Malone in 2008, and that could again be the case this year:



General manager Ray Shero will look at ″available options via trade″ for any of the Penguins' impending unrestricted and restricted free agents who haven't been re-signed by the NHL Entry Draft at Minnesota later this month.


With due respect, NHL teams probably aren't going to be interested in a Chris Conner or Eric Godard's rights a few days early.  Pascal Dupuis, Tyler Kennedy and Max Talbot would be the biggest possibilities to catch interest.

A month shy of his 25th birthday, Kennedy put up career highs last year in goals (21), assists (24), points (45).  Beyond Chris Kunitz and Sidney Crosby he was the highest scoring forward on the team and earned just $725,000 last season.

Kennedy has earned and is seeking a huge raise.  He has arbitration rights, which means his reps could go into a session and argue his case for why he deserves a pay day.  The Pens can make their case too, and more importantly, they can also choose to walk away from the arbiter's salary decision.  That would immediately make TK an unrestricted free agent and give Pittsburgh zero compensation should he then sign with another team.  Shero knows this is a possibility:

 



"In some cases you won't go to arbitration with a player, you'll trade the players because of the comparables. The way the system is, you don't see a lot of arbitration cases. I've told Tyler that, and had a few conversations about that with the agent. A lot of times you won't qualify the players because you don't believe the comparable fit with your cap situation.  I've told him I want to have him back, but I say that and I wanted (Hal) Gill and (Rob) Scuderi back, too."


That last line is haunting, because it's  true.  The Penguins have wanted to retain players in the past, but have watched them sail away in free agency.  Of course Shero also turned around and signed Martin and Michalek the next summer, both of which could be considered all-around upgrades over Scuderi and Gill.  So it's not just about "wanting" to keep a player, it's wanting to keep a player at a price that makes sense for the team.

It's been pretty calm in Penguins land recently, with only false Jaromir Jagr mania going around lately, but that's about to change.  The draft is less than three weeks away and free agency a week after that.  The wheels are about to be set in motion and pretty soon we're going to see how Shero plans to build next year's Penguins and what it means for guys like Kennedy, Talbot, Dupuis and Adams.

Comment 37 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

The last line of that quote makes me want to cry. Shero can be very direct when he wants.

The team just might look really different this fall. We’re gonna have to steel up. Thanks for sharing this.

"This would have been a goal if it went in."--Paul Steigerwald, 2/10/11

Cocktails with the Penguins

On Twitter like everyone else.

by GreenEyedLilo on Jun 6, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, the last excerpt sounds like GM-speak for “if TK wants the money now, he’ll have to get it somewhere else.”

by King Oskar on Jun 6, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am interested to see how everything unfolds this month prior to the start of free agency. On the topic of Shero being straight forward, as mentioned above he did say that Kovalev and Comrie will not be offered contracts. I wonder why Godard was not mentioned? Any change that Shero seriously is considering re-signing him? I was under the assumption he was as good as gone, but maybe not.

by xaryss on Jun 6, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The door isn’t officially, publically closed on Godard. Comrie’s probably going to retire (that hip injury killed what was left of his speed) and Kovalev doesn’t seem NHL caliber anymore either. Thus the only guys that Shero has said he would not retain.

I’d be fairly surprised if they did bring back Godard though- he barely dresses and when he dresses he barely plays. I would think if the Pens don’t keep Rupp (which I think they will) they could go with Engelland as the enforcer. Or maybe try to find another Asham caliber guy in the summer to pickup as a FA.

If I was a betting man, I’d say Godard’s days in Pittsburgh are finished…But crazier things have happened.

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 6, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, Hooks.

But I also thought Godard would be done before this past season, so who knows? With Engelland here now though, you have to wonder whether Godard’s role is now obsolete…

"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra

by cyroose on Jun 6, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some will say that it’s not that smart for a defenseman to fight, since it’d only leave the team with 5D for 5 minutes, but I don’t see it as a problem. Especially for a guy in Engelland who’s going to play 15 minutes a night anyways.

That’s like missing, what 1 regular shift that someone else has to pickup? Doesn’t seem like that big of a deal.

If there were injury concerns or another defender went to the box it would be troubling, but for the most part I don’t think losing your 6D for a major penalty a game is that big of a deal, considering the strength of the Pens top 4.

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, Engelland has shown he is smarter about when to take those penalties. He’ll step in when he has to or feels he needs to, but he’ll step away from an invitation too. He’s been around long enough and has developed sufficient defensive ability to have a little less to prove to anyone

by SuMac on Jun 6, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you could put me in the minority that thinks a defender should not be your enforcer, for the reasons Hooks mentioned above. However I feel the whole enforcer idea has pretty much left the NHL game, thus no need for Godard who’s only purpose was to fight. If the Pens sign Rupp and have Engelland, I think they’ll be just fine. Both are guys who can step up and fight someone who is taking liberties, but can also still play their role on the ice.

by StripesForLife on Jun 6, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope they find a way to keep Talbot and Adams. Our pk unit was a major strength last season and I’d like to see that continue. Kennedy and Dupuis will probably depart though, In that case, I hope Shero can find two top line wingers to bring into the team, or at least one.

by rlsuth on Jun 6, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Adams will re-sign too. Sounded like from the meeting that he had with Shero that they disagreed on money. I think Adams will crack- he’s a solid guy, but not going to draw a ton of attention on the open market. He’s firmly established in Pittsburgh with his family, and the coach loves him. It’s not too long ago he was a waiver wire guy bouncing around (CAR to CHI to PIT) and I think he’ll eventually realize that if he can get two years here, his best bet is to take it.

Talbot, I don’t know about. He doesn’t have a role on the team. Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Letestu, Jeffrey, (Adams?) all could be centers on the roster next year. And Talbot doesn’t have the skill to produce points on the wing. I think his time is about up, unfortunately.

Personally I think the money is right to keep one of Dupuis or Kennedy for that 2nd/3rd line RW spot. I don’t know who it’ll be- I suspect they’d rather have Kennedy but he may be tougher to sign for the right price.

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 6, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you on the last point about Kennedy and Dupuis. Although I won’t say it’s out of the question to sign both.

As for Talbot, I don’t know that he has a role as a centre on this team, but to say he doesn’t have the skill to produce at wing on this team is wrong. After Kunitz, Neal, Dupuis(arguable), and Cooke there isn’t much skill at all on the wings.

by StripesForLife on Jun 6, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be completely honest, I could care less what Shero does. It would be nice to get TK back, but has Shero ever steered us wrong? Sure, he’s made a couple of bad gambles, but I like the fact that he is willing to make those gambles. And he always finds a way to make things right or better in the end.

Just sit back and watch sports fans. He’ll figure something out.

"Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." -Jack Falla
Twitter Facebook Tumblr

by AlexStitch on Jun 6, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

cash in now

& trade TK… he’s never gonna be more then a 3rd liner on this team with a few shifts here n there on 2nd or 1st lines when someone is hurt…thats the only reason he did what he did this season…. nobody else STEPPED up….i’m only 1/2 dreaming..but TRADE IDEA

Kunitz, TK, & some range of prospects & draft picks for Ignilia & rights to Tanguay…
Iggy goes on SID"s line ( he’s gonna be healthy & ready to go, staying positive & sending out good karma)
& Tanguay goes on Geno’s wing….

by cmypath78 on Jun 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

kunitz is in last year of his contract making $4million… he just can’t stay healthy… & he will be 32 in sept …. adios…

by cmypath78 on Jun 6, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kunitz, TK, & some range of prospects & draft picks for Ignilia & rights to Tanguay…
Iggy goes on SID"s line ( he’s gonna be healthy & ready to go, staying positive & sending out good karma)
& Tanguay goes on Geno’s wing….

Then can the Pens trade Niskanen + Talbot’s rights for Duncan Keith?

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 6, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no no, that’s far too much, I’m sure they’ll take Niskanen straight up, haha.

by Will87 on Jun 6, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK hooks

riddle me this… do you see Shero extending Kunitz & if so @ what price & how many years… his salary doesn’t match his output… he can’t stay healthy
you’ve obviously poked fun @ my IDEA’s… do you have a SOLUTION?

by cmypath78 on Jun 6, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW I think he will re-sign Kunitz. Kunitz has had his best years as a Penguin playing with the greatest player in the world. I think he would be foolish to leave. I could see Shero giving him 3 years at 11-13 million. Slight increase in what he is making now.

by StripesForLife on Jun 6, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the past 5 seasons Kunitz has played: 81, 82, 82, 50 and 66 games. Seems like you may harp on his health a little too much. He’s no ironman, but I think he’s been fine, considering the style he plays.

Kunitz would be 33 when a new contract starts, I probably wouldn’t go more than 2 years on his next deal. Given how much the cap continues to rise (and that the Pens have most their core locked in) I think $3-4 million per would be fine. I also assume that before the CBA Crosby will take a little less on a mega-deal, which will provide all the more relief.

Ideas are one thing, but proposing Calgary to trade their captain and face of the franchise for the past 10-15 years for what you suggested isn’t very realistic.

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 6, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

& everyone in HOCKEY thought #99 would NEVER get traded…all i’m saying is
ITS NOT WORKING IN calgary..ignila has 2 yrs left on his current deal…he turns 34 on july 1st…there have been plenty of "FACES OF FRANCHISES’ traded in all 4 pro sports…if ignila asks for a trade or they come to there senses & blow things up & start over…. the friendship he forged with SID @ the olympics will go far….sense losing finals to bolts in 03/04 they haven’t sniffed the 2nd round …4 straight 1st round defeats & the last 2 yrs NO playoffs…I PERSONALLY don’t think kunitz is worth the salary he’s making, $4 million he needs to score @ least 25 goals

by cmypath78 on Jun 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it, is Iginla now the Flames GM? And is he going to kick his team on the way by giving them unfair value?

And Kunitz scored 23 last year, I think he’s a pretty fair candidate to get 25 goals, which isn’t even his main focus of what he brings to the team. He’s a good playmaker, forechecks relentlessly, hits hard, plays well positionally, he’s a perfect top six player in this system.

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 6, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and others that have common sense

by AronV on Jun 6, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it really does seem like Hooks is trying to explain things but its not sinking in.

i’m all for trading TK though if he’s attempting to play hardball on the dollars. Dupuis would looks just fine on that line and he can ALSO play the PK.

by Diomedes7 on Jun 6, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now WHAT would make YOU say THAT?

by King Oskar on Jun 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Him not staying healthy is not the same as a Mike Comrie not staying healthy he just gets hurt for long period of times for no real reason. Kunitz gets hurts because he’s a nut out on the ice and will run into anyone he can, which is what makes him so good and such a threat. You know those plays in hockey where a guy knocks the crap out of a player in their end and then skates down to the other and gets a goal or an assist? That’s Kunitz.

"Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." -Jack Falla
Twitter Facebook Tumblr

by AlexStitch on Jun 7, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree, this is the best time to trade him. His value is up.

The Hockey Dr.

by Outcast on Jun 6, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

was just typing essentially the same thing

by Diomedes7 on Jun 6, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you Diomedes7

The Hockey Dr.

by Outcast on Jun 7, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

we talking about Kennedy?

I’m not sure other teams would look at it this way. He doesn’t have a contract yet, he’s demaning (allegedly) something more than what the Pens think he’s worth…therefore not making him a bargain anymore (once he’s signed), therefore not making him a valuable asset anymore….kind of like MacArthur did…except MacArthur came out of nowhere and had a great season….and now he’s in line to be PAID again. We can’t afford to throw that kind of money on non-essential players.

by AronV on Jun 7, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

TK is gonzo, via trade. He probably wants around 2 mill. or nothing lower than 1.5. The Pens don’t have cap room. TK will get it if he goes to arbitration and Shero and TK’s agent knows it. I wish TK all the luck, he needs to make the money that is coming to him. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want him back. In Shero I TRUST

The Hockey Dr.

by Outcast on Jun 6, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i’d like to know what the comps look like
if it was 1.5 they’d sign him

by Diomedes7 on Jun 6, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

McArthur had comparable numbers last year and got almost $2.5. My numbers are fuzzy and I’m too lazy to look them up, but I thought people have said he is a comparable guy that went to arbitration.

IMO if Kennedy would go to arbitration, he could see $2 – $2.5. I would keep him if he would sign for 3 years $5.5, though his agent might advise him to test arbitration.

by StripesForLife on Jun 7, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

He would be foolish not to go to arbitration, if they offered him less than 2 mil. I think he will be traded, unless they give him a “long contract”, with the money spread out. And I don’t see that coming from Shero for TK.

The Hockey Dr.

by Outcast on Jun 7, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

McArthur had comparable numbers last year and got almost $2.5. My numbers are fuzzy and I’m too lazy to look them up, but I thought people have said he is a comparable guy that went to arbitration.

MacArthur was awarded $2.4 million, but there’s a huge asterisk by it. Atlanta didn’t want to keep him, so they didn’t even bother to put up a case against him. If he was contested, surely his salary would be less. Since ATL walked away from the decision, I’m not even sure if Kennedy could use it as a comparable. If he did, surely Shero would bring up the fact it isn’t really viable since it wasn’t accepted by the team.

Salary arbitration is a huge escalator in hockey though, so I can’t disagree with your overall findings. I could see TK getting a $2+ million decision. Would the Pens accept? I doubt it, which is why it looks like it may not get that far.

SB Nation PIttsburgh

"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."

by Hooks Orpik on Jun 7, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Atlanta was smart (at the time) by not giving MacArthur $2.4 mil at the time….he was not worth anywhere near that. Obviously he had a year that’s going to help him cash in…but I don’t see how TK could be worth upwards of $2+ mil. At least not for a max cap team like the Pens.

by AronV on Jun 7, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I don’t think the Pens will take him back for $2+ million. Which is why I think if they don’t sign him to a longer term contract before arbitration, they are better off trading him and at least getting something for him.

by StripesForLife on Jun 7, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Pensburgh.com - a Pittsburgh Penguins blog dedicated to building a community of, by and for Pittsburgh Penguins fans

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Picture0004_small
Offseason Acquisitions
Geno_conn_smyth_small
how Shero can dig out of hole of #4 & #7
Small
The Piece from Pittsburgh
Small
Looking Forward to the 2012 NHL Draft; Who Might The Penguins Be Targeting?
Mom_marko_phils_small
Follow the IIHF Hockey Worlds: One of the Greatest Sports Events of the Year
Rothko_1964
Flyers lose.
Small
What do you mean, "The Pens have to trade Jordan Staal?"
Outcast_small
The Bettman conspiracy 2012
Small
Perspective
Fb_pic_small
WBS Penguins vs. IceCaps - Game Two

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Penguins_cup_08__small FrankD

Me2_small Hooks Orpik

Me_small Stephen Catanese

Editors

Mepiano_small JustinM

Authors

Me_on_thepub_small Lavender

Pens_ring_small GoPens!

Fb_pic_small TonyAndrock

Rome_small LauraZ

Moderators

Photo_small tehchico