Taking a Look at Pittsburgh Penguins Prospect Camp
It's funny. Years ago fans of the Penguins looked at prospect camp as an opportunity to see which guys would, in all likelihood, play of a majority of their games with the parent club before the season was through. There were of course a number of reasons behind this: lack of money, lack of depth and generally just an overall young club looking to gain some valuable, hard-earned experience.
These days, as you can imagine, that is hardly the case. That's not to say a center joining camp doesn't have a future to look ahead to, but let's be honest: unless fans witness a season like last year again (please Lord Stanley, no) then it's not the easiest of positions for a youngin to crack.
With that said, there's been some pretty good pieces circulating out there on the Internets with regards to some of the newer faces surrounding Penguins prospect camp. I'm particularly stoked to see Philip Samuelsson, son of former Pen Ulf, getting some time with the coaches. The Penguins' official site did a pretty good write up on him. I had a chance to meet and interview both him and his dad at the 2009 NHL Draft. Each felt it would take about two years or so before he really started to develop into the sort of player the Penguins might be interested in, so now's as good a time as any for him to hit the ice with the Pens.
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The Tribune-Review took a deeper look at some of the prospects, mainly those form the surrounding Pittsburgh areas such as Rob Madore and Andrew Blazek. Those guys are the sort of players who know space is kind of limited on the Pittsburgh club, but know that leaving a good impression doesn't go unnoticed in the eyes of Ray Shero and company.
And yet while we take a look at some of these new faces, some of whom have been invited to their first Pens prospect camp, we're also left to look at one of the players who continues to draw support in both Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and Pittsburgh. This, of course, is Eric Tangradi.
I think the best way to sum up the Tangradi Train of Fandom around these parts is to break it down into two categories: you're either with him, or you're against him. From what little we saw last season - one goal and two assists in 15 games - I think it's safe to say we all left wanting more. The unfortunate part is he probably would've had it too given the number of injuries to the team had he not been injured himself in that charade of a game on Feb. 11 against the New York Islanders.
Shelly Anderson writes in the Post-Gazette:
Still, the budding power forward is digging being in a comfortable, familiar setting this week. Not only that, but he also is something of the big man on campus at the club's annual development camp as the only one who has played in the NHL.
I can't determine if that's a good thing or not. I'm not here to dissect Anderson's words or anything, but I find a special kind of analysis deriving from that description. Can a 22-year-old, going on 23 in February, still be considering "budding?" If he does have NHL experience, is he forced to play down to his fellow classmen while in camp?
It's good that the Pens' front office is still working him into the early plans. The fact he's in camp is testament to the fact that they are not just dismissing him as another NHL-ready forward who's earned his keep. But let's also not forget he suffered a concussion last season. Unlike the highly-documented one that affected the captain of the team, Tangradi's was not given nearly as much press. With that said, perhaps this is the team's way of testing out his progress since the injury. Either way, if Tangradi is expected to be on the starting roster next season, then it looks good on him for joining camp and gives us plenty of reason to cut him some slack until he has his chance to prove otherwise.
Also remember, our boy Tony is keeping an eye on some of the WBS signings on his blog Highland Park Hockey. So check it out to see what he has to say about the re-signings of Dustin Jeffrey, Joey Mormina and Ryan Schnell, to name a few.
I know keeping an eye on prospect camp can be kind of hit or miss, but who do you guys have your eyes on as top considerations coming out? Anyone potentially NHL-ready that we don't know about?
Chat it up. Floor is yours.
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Like many, I am keeping my eye on Despres who certainly could be close to NHL ready for the Pens though will likely start with WBS given our depth on D and the fact that the Pens are careful not to rush their players. I’m also interested in seeing more of , Kuhnackl, Bennett and Veilleux on forward, though I don’t see them as NHL ready (Veilleux I think is closer though), and Alex Grant on D. I’ve heard good things about Grant, but obviously saw very little of him last year due to his injury. Veilleux progressed well through the second half of the season and seemed to have been working a lot with the coaches one to one. I’m curious where he will end up fitting. Bennett I’m just curious to see how he is playing after a year of College, while Kuhnackl’s skill with the puck and great playoff run has be wanting to see more. Since this is development, we won’t see nearly as much as I’d like to see, of course, but it’s good to see so many promising players who can potentially fill different roles at different times in WBS and with the Pens
I agree with what you said in your comment. I’m basically watching the same players.
Despres- NHL ready, but time in the AHL won’t hurt
Koon 2- Should join the AHL even though he only spent one year in the O and didn’t win anything, I still don’t see much left for him to do in Windsor.
Bennett- Solid freshman year; still 2-4 years away.
Veilleux-Another year in the AHL then next year will be a serious threat to make the Pens.
Grant- Ehhhh
From the mini video the Pens posted Samuelsson’s skating is still blahh I know he’s a bigger, defensive minded defenseman, but in order for him to be a successful shutdown defenseman he needs to work on his transitions and positioning.
AND….why wasn’t Ben Hanowski invited…anyone know?
by Geno McFleury on Jul 13, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Kuhnhackl is going back to juniors
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by TonyAndrock on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure that’s right but it’s the wrong decision IMO I’ve seen plenty of him this last year and although he didn’t put up crazy numbers he still dominated other players based on his individual skills and not relying on a talented Spitfires team. He’s bigger, still fast and is comfortable in NA. Bringing him into the AHL, especially before most players are eligible, would produce no threat to his development and it actually might help.
by Geno McFleury on Jul 13, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
With all the forwards WB/S has, Kuhlhackl doesn’t fit in too well.
Better to play top OHL minutes for a quality team like Windsor than slot into 3rd/4th line scrub minutes in the AHL. And another shot at the Germany U-20 team.
In only his second year in North America, I don’t see anything wrong with another year of Juniors. Though he had an impressive season, TK2 is still very raw, no reason to rush him.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 13, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true I completely ignored the fact of him returning to the Team Germany. He’s heavily relied on that team and has done well in international tournaments but honestly—not trying to push an argument here—I still could find a role and spot for him in WB/S. Either way it doesn’t matter really, as long as he’s comfortable, and developing into the fast PP specialist winger the Pens need in their system.
by Geno McFleury on Jul 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a valid point. But to increase his speed, PP skill and overall game, I think juniors is a fine path, he ought to be a much bigger part of the team and get a chance to play a lot more. There’s no reason to rush things, especially with TK2
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m saving more talk on Despres for a post either later this week or over the weekend. There seems to be plenty of talk surrounding him (and with good reason), so I might wait to see how things shape up in a few days.
Although I would love to see him on the NHL level, I think the front office is doing a pretty good job of pacing his growth and not rushing him. A few games in the AHL couldn’t hurt, as Geno said below.
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I think he could play effectively at the NHL, though like most I’m sure some time in the AHL won’t hurt.
What I would love to see more than anything would be for Despres to make a really strong case out of camp. That would force Shero’s hand to trade Niskanen (most likely) or Lovejoy or Engelland. In the long run I think this would be the best situation for the Pens and Despres.
by StripesForLife on Jul 13, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven’t heard too much about Morrow…Hopefully the writers there can focus on him a little in his first little taste of the pros.
From what I’ve heard Despres and Tangradi look really impressive and Bennett has made a lot of strides too. All to be expected, but still encouraging.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
Not sure about Depres. They keep saying that he was “a man amongst boys” in the Q. So in my estimation, when he gets to the NHL, he will have a serious rude awakening OR he will stay just viable enough to crack the roster.
Bennett looks like hes preparing for a bodybuilding competition which I like. He has got so much swagger this guy. Reminds me of Jack Johnson personality wise.
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I think I remember reading this somewhere, but didn’t Bennett put on like 20 lbs during his first year at DU?
by StripesForLife on Jul 13, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Bennett said on Mark Madden’s show that he went from 180 to 195 pounds his first year at DU. Which is no surprise, that program has a long history of seriously bulking up highly prized players. I think Joe Colbourne put on 15-20 pounds of muscle too in his first year there.
I’d love to know what their strength program is like.
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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
www.insidepittsburghsports.com
There some articles here about training camp so far. Its a pay site so it shows some of article but not all. Writer says despres is looking pretty dominant. Tangradi looking in great shape and gained some muscle.said he’s 230 now. And he says hes ok playing RW!!!!
by edro on Jul 14, 2011 9:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t agree that with Tangradi, you are either for him, or against him. I think, (speaking for myself) that the expectations for him (based largely on media hype) were high. His issues after his return to WBS, last year are well known. Later he adjusted himself and began producing, returned to the NHL, but for all the issues you enumerated couldn’t show if he is going to be the player we expected or not. I summary my read is that the “jury is still out”, as far as Tangradi is concerned.
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I agree, as I’m still on the fence regarding Tangradi. I’m hoping he can be the power forward everyone expects him to be, but he needs to start delivering on that promise. At the beginning of last season, he was the AHL player everyone thought had the best shot of breaking into the NHL, only to be surpassed by Letestu and Jeffrey. This year looks like there is even less opportunity for him, as the roster looks pretty well filled out heading into training camp, so he’s going to have to be extra special this time in order to make the opening day roster(barring injuries, of course).
At the beginning of last season, he was the AHL player everyone thought had the best shot of breaking into the NHL, only to be surpassed by Letestu and Jeffrey.
I’m not so sure about this. Letestu had played his way to a regular spot in the lineup leading up to and during the playoffs the season before, and it was obvious Bylsma was a big fan. He had by far the greatest shot of making the team out of camp, whereas I for one felt Tangradi needed a full season in the AHL to mature. As it turned out his season was cut short, which leaves him as a bit of a question mark in my eyes. Did he get where he needs to be, in order to be productive and reliable in the NHL, or does he still need a bit more seasoning? Either way I don’t believe he’s far off, at the latest I see him being an NHL regular is out of camp next year, and he might make it even sooner.
I think a lot of the fans thought Tangradi had the best shot of all the AHL guys at making the team out of camp (myself included in that bunch) because of all the media hype he got.
However the coaching staff, as you stated, obviously really liked Letestu to begin with, so maybe Testy was the favorite all along.
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