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2011 Penguins Prospect Game

I just got back from Consol Energy Center where I personally witnessed the 2011 Prospect game. It was a good time, I must say, with quite a few people in attendance. The CEC essentially contained everyone to the lower bowl and to the half of the arena behind the benches.

I forgot a pen though, so I was unable to make notes and score who did what, you know, be "professional," but it's a good thing I have a good memory. Now what was I talking about?

Meat and potatoes after the jump.

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There were two periods of play for the scrimmage, each 25 minutes long, and pretty much everyone scored. Seriously. But some people did stand out to me, and other didn't grab my attention in a positive way at all.

Keven Veilleux was the one player who totally caught my attention and took full advantage of this day to try and impress. He scored a couple of goals and landed some assists, but where he really shined was at the end of the scrimmage the players had a shootout, which came down to Veilleux and defensemen Sean Whitney. Keven's goals were by far much more pretty and complicated. But every time he was on the ice it seemed like everyone was watching him.

The main attraction, if you want to call him that, was of course Eric Tangradi. ET got some nice assists, including one where he came down the right side of the ice and drew the defenders, to which ET simply dropped the pass back to the trailer and it was one of the easiest goals scored today. He also showed a lot of grit when heading to the corners after the puck, making the first contact which I thought was a good sign and hopefully a sign of his confidence and toughness. There were a couple of things that bothered me a bit about his play. The first was that I didn't see him set up shop in front of the net at all, rather he pulled a lot of dangling and trying to draw defenders and then look for the pass. The general consensus at Pensburgh is that ET would have to be that power forward who sets screens and gets dirty for us. I didn't see much of that today. I won't lie, some of his dekes were nice, but not what I was hoping to see he has been working on. The second thing that irked me, and maybe it's just me, but after the scrimmage when his team was congratulating each other, he opted to give a few of his teammates a tap on the rear with his stick and then skate back to the bench. I don't know if it was because he was getting ready for the shootout, or because he is the "veteran" of the group, but I thought it was kind of off for him to do that.

The goalies today were Patrick Killeen and Rob Madore. At first they both made some really incredible stops, especially Madore. But after a few goals were scored on him he seemed to get flustered quite a bit and let in a couple of squeakers and started over thinking his approach. But when they came out for the second half he seemed more composed. Killeen, at the other end made some great stops too, including a nice Fleury-like glove save through traffic.

If you are asking about those new kids we drafted, well I'll tell you that too. 2010 First Round Draft Pick Beau Bennett had a beautiful breakaway and goal on Killeen that just made me think that is exactly what we want him to do. He seemed to move well on the ice too. As for the 2011 First Round Pick, Joe Morrow looked very promising as well. There were a couple of instances where he cheated down into the offensive zone and would get a quick shot away and the next thing you knew he was back at the blue line ready to retreat if needed.

Samuelsson the Younger, or Philip as he may also be known as, came across as a little lost, but not in a bad way. While watching Philip I thought that the game was a little too slow for him- there was more than one occasion where he looked up ice ready to make the stretch pass that just wasn't there yet because other players were changing too slowly or weren't in position yet. This of course, led to some hesitation and Samuelsson not making the best play possible, turning it over here and there. Again, on D he looked great, but I think he was looking for something more during the game that never developed for him.

Everyone else was there playing, and like I said, everyone did something during these games so it got hard to separate everyone. Nicholas D'Agostino went crazy in the shootout too, including popping the Gatorade bottle on an in tight shot. Nick Petersen showed a lot of movement on the ice and made some great moves for a goal, an overall work ethic that this team loves and thrives on.

Some players that I thought didn't impress at all: Andrew Blazek took quite a bit of time to get warmed up, hesitating and then choosing the wrong time to finally step up on a loose puck that would end up getting past by the oncoming forward. Reid McNeill didn't catch my attention either. As far as forwards go, I was disappointed in Tom Kuhnhackl, expecting a little bit of flare and spark from him. And Josh Archibald too, I didn't know who he was and quickly was able to move on from watching him and waiting for a play to develop.

Here's a list of players that took part:

Defensemen

Andrew Blazek

Simon Despres

Nichola D'Agostino

Alex Grant

Scott Harrington

Reid McNeill

Joe Morrow

Joe Rogalski

Philip Samuelsson

Sean Whitney

Forwards

Josh Archibald

Jessey Astles

Beau Bennett

Stefan Fournier

Brian Gibbons

Jared Gomes

Tom Kuhnhackl

Nick Petersen

Bryan Rust

Zack Sill

Eric Tangradi

Paul Thompson

Dominik Uher

Keven Veilleux

Scott Wilson

Scott Zurevinksi

Goalies

Patrick Killeen

Maxime Legace

Rob Madore

Hope this was interesting. Just my views of the day. If you want to know more about one of the above mentioned players I will try my best to shine some light.

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Great write-up. I agree with basically all of your assessments of the players.

That Tangradi-led goal was pretty fantastic. His drop pass was perfect, and a little unexpected.

As for the lack of screens, that’s a nice pick-up. Although with all the four-on-four and three-on-three action, and the lack of hitting, there wasn’t often a lot of time in the offensive zone to put something in place. Still. This will be something to watch with him.

Also, re. Killeen: he made some great saves during play, but his really, really, really weak area seems to be making stops on breakaway/shootout attempts. I’m not sure how many times he was scored on in those sorts of situations, but it was definitely more than I’d like to see.

Sadly, I didn’t notice Despres very much. Although that’s probably largely due to his role, and the nature of the game. And he did make some nice plays in there.

That said, I am officially impressed by Morrow. He is fast. He may need to control himself a little more with his speed, but he definitely looked like a first round pick.

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by PopRocks on Jul 16, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I forgot to put the different match ups in there, thank you for reminding me.

I thought that when it was 5-5 it seemed a little sloppy, but once they went to 4-4 and then 3-3 it looked like the players were meshing a whole lot more and making more things happen.

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by AlexStitch on Jul 17, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

great job, Alex

always good to read about some first-hand impressions.

Not surprised with Veilleux being a stand-out in the scrimmage, I think he has a lot of upside and maybe this season he’ll show more of it.

Generally I’ve not been overly impressed with Tangradi – not this prospect camp, but with his overall development and attitude. IMO he’s fallen a bit for his own story with all the hype from fans and media. With his size and skill a regular roster spot is his to lose and if next season he doesn’t make the most of it he still might (lose it).

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Jul 17, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Great writeup, Alex. It’s especially helpful for those of us who couldn’t be at the prospect camp.
Anything on Despres? I know PopRox said she didn’t notice him, but what about you?

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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 17, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, no. But like PR said that might not be a bad thing seeing as he may have just been doing his job. I think another thing that was lost was that there wasn’t any hitting going on in the scrimmage; a few bumps here and there on the glass, but you could tell they were pulling up on their hits, which is understandable, making mainly the hit or rather the slight interference to get the play going in the other direction.

I can say that when I did see Despres it was along the same lines as with Morrow where he skated through, very smoothly and strong, and then returned right back to the blue line. There is the difference between the two that Morrow looked more for the shot and scoring opportunity, Simon was looking just to be that last minute option and to pass it off to someone or to set the play back up. He’ll do it if he has to, but again, that’s not his game, which is fine by me.

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by AlexStitch on Jul 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight. Can’t wait till training camp and (to inevitably) see Simon in the bigs.

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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 18, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like I said below about Tangradi, a lot applies to Despres too. He’s not flashy enough to be a huge stand-out in that environment, and no one would want him to defer away from his strong points either.

Kris Letang only lasted 10 games in the AHL from the start of the season, and I think Despres would be right on that path if he got to play in the 2007-08 Pens defense. Unfortunately for Despres’ timing, the 2011-12 Pens defense is pretty solid, so he’s probably looking at more Wilkes-Barre duty than that, even though he probably could acquit himself in the NHL.

All that said, through injuries and expected performance, we all know Despres is not going to be a minor leaguer for long if he continues to play as strongly as he has in the past 12-18 months.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 18, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. And even though I’d like to see him be brought up as soon as Letang, I think a solid 20-30 games in the AHL where he’d get top line minutes and PP time, would do him nothing but good. Like you said, this D core is solid so there’s not any reason to rush him.

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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 18, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

20-30 sounds right to me. It lets Despres get his feet wet, play a lot of minutes and get used to life in the pros.

Also lets the Pens figure out what they have with Niskanen. Lots of Pens fans are writing him off, but Niskanen has all the tools for a 5-6 guy. If he continues to struggle and Despres shines, bench Nisky, and make sure Despres looks ready for the NHL.

If so, trade/waive Niskanen and you’ve got an ELC guy in Despres. If Despres needs more seasoning in the AHL, like a lot of defensemen naturally do, no prob, still got MN/Lovejoy/Engelland for 5/6 guys with Valabik and Picard in the wings.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 18, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Nisky. He’s actually a solid #6 guy. It’s just the cap hit that sticks out to the fans, and rightly so. But, really, as long as his cap hit isn’t forcing us to the very top of the salary cap (it’s not at this moment), Nisky on the Pens is fine by me. It’s the playoffs more than anything that I worry about.

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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 18, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job and thanks for the writeup, Alex. Nice memory for not having taken notes, good work my friend.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 18, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks man. It would have been more impressive if I was drunk and remembered everything, but alas, I am a simple man. Next time.

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by AlexStitch on Jul 18, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

No big deal. Sometimes I find that when I try to write stuff down, I end up missing action anyways.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 18, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya that’s a good point too. I attempted to add to my Twitter a few times or check emptynetters, and of course I always did that when a goal was scored a nice deke.

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by AlexStitch on Jul 18, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were a couple of things that bothered me a bit about his play. The first was that I didn’t see him set up shop in front of the net at all, rather he pulled a lot of dangling and trying to draw defenders and then look for the pass. The general consensus at Pensburgh is that ET would have to be that power forward who sets screens and gets dirty for us. I didn’t see much of that today. I won’t lie, some of his dekes were nice, but not what I was hoping to see he has been working on. The second thing that irked me, and maybe it’s just me, but after the scrimmage when his team was congratulating each other, he opted to give a few of his teammates a tap on the rear with his stick and then skate back to the bench. I don’t know if it was because he was getting ready for the shootout, or because he is the “veteran” of the group, but I thought it was kind of off for him to do that.

First of all, this recount is about the consensus of what I heard about Tangradi, so I don’t doubt any of what you wrote.

But for Tangradi’s expecatations, skill set and level of competition, I’m not too surprised. His role with NHL players would be to get in front of the net, create traffic and be more of a “passenger”. In this camp, he’s the oldest player and has the biggest spotlight on him, thus more pressure for him to stand out with the puck.

And that’s about right. A guy like Bennett even in his 3rd or 4th camp, has the skills to stand out with his puck abilities and skating. Those are traits that would stand out against mainly 18-21 year olds without much pro experience.

Tangradi’s game doesn’t lend itself so well to that environment. I’ve seen other NHL players not look so dominant in these summer camps and then go on to play solid roles in the NHL. Not the biggest deal-breaker for me.

Sure, you’d like a guy like Tangradi to be clearly the best forward on the ice…..But really, he was the most refined and NHL ready player out there. Just the style of the week doesn’t lend itself to his natural strong points.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 18, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

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