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Max Talbot's Fan-Friendly Departure

Say what you will about a guy who leaves town for the Flyers, but that sentiment tends to change when faced with a guy like Max Talbot.  If the Pens and Talbot couldn't come to terms (they couldn't) and he could get what he wanted in years/money elsewhere (he did), then fans are likely to respond in a number of different ways that won't deviate too far from the following:

1) Hate to see him go. This is horrible.
2) Good luck and thanks for the memories
3) Traitor

I'm going to come right out and say that it's really hard and one hell of a stretch to try and call him the latter of the three.  I'd like to think variations of points No. 1 and 2 are the dominant reactions to the signing.

Max wasn't, isn't and probably won't be a 20-goal scorer at any point in his career.  He wasn't a hard hitter, a set-up man or even a cog in the wheel.  He was an energy guy.  A scrappy guy.  A "put your life on the line to stop a shot even if it's not a playoff game" sort of guy.  Every team needs it.  Every team wants it.  The Flyers just wanted it more.

I'm typing this from my couch, a mere five feet away from the Penguins shrine that surrounds my television: Six different photos/plaques, the ceremonial "C" for Sid's captaincy, three pucks, a few scattered hockey cards and right in the center, a box of City of Champions cereal with Max's elated face during the Stanley Cup finals.

There was a call transcript circling a bit the other day that stemmed from Max's first interview since becoming a Flyer.  To be honest, I wasn't all that interested in posting it here because outside of a Pittsburgh question or two it all spun (rightfully so) in the direction of joining the Flyers.

So I was pretty happy to see Rob Rossi nail down a great Q&A with Max that's up on the Trib-Review site today.  Here is just one excerpt that stood out to me, but the rest is a must-read (especially the part where he texted Geno):

On his signature Penguins memory:

"Tough to pick just one, but the day of the (2009 Cup) parade, and lifting that thing in front of the fans — that was unbelievable. Also, having dinners at Mario's house with Sid; those meals were special. The thing that just popped into my head is late this season there was a sign I remember. It was a little kid and the sign said, 'Max, Love You!' Yeah, Pittsburgh is a special place.'

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I'm one of what I hope is the many Penguins fans who appreciated everything Max did for the team. Now I'm just left to wonder how he could possibly share a line with Jaromir Jagr, who apparently has problems with playing alongside a left-handed shot.

Good luck, thanks for the memories, and may he always find himself in a scoring drought against the Penguins.

 

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Anyone who says #3 well.. I’ll be nice and not call them dirty names ;)

Talbot was a grinder and sometimes pest, with class. Great guy and lockeroom guy who will always be remembered for the SHHH moment and those 2 wonderful goals.

There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...

by Stros Bro on Jul 3, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen.

Goodbye Max and thank you for everything. Next time I’ll see you, I’ll boo you. :)

by -CEZ- on Jul 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Luck Max, save your best play for the Rangers/Devils and Isles!

Great character guy, great team player. Hate to see him go. Wish him good luck even if it is with the loathed flyers. Odd that there have been so many players back and forth between these teams, guess all’s fair in love, war and business.

Watched a lot of clips from games on the 2009 Cup Run and Max is such an integral part of it, that he provided all the offense needed to win Game 7 and the Cup was icing on the cake.

Hate to see him go, hate even more to see him go to philly, but that kind of offer is a no brainer. Good luck to him in any games he plays not against the Penguins.

I will assume he’ll get loud cheers when he returns to the CEC unlike that other former Penguin who was once a real hero but unfortunately has some serious character flaws.

by Dutch71 on Jul 3, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m really really anticipating that Dec.29 game. Between jagr, talbot, hbo 24/7, a lot of hype will be covered by fans, media and even if players won’t publicly say it, you know they’ve got that date circled on the calendar. Even Max said it’ll be tough to sleep a few nights before..

It’ll be really interesting how the crowd for that game will react. I’m expecting boos for Jagr but I don’t know for Talbot.. It’ll be damn hard to cheer for a Flyer even if its just for a moment.. And do you think the Pens will have a short video tribute for him like they did with Guerin and Gonchar..

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by 3maria on Jul 4, 2011 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto Frank...

ditto.

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by SubLime on Jul 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve met Max. Max is a funny guy, and really nice to the fans. He’ll always have my support and respect.

by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 3, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen to that.

Met the guy before and he was a genuinely nice guy. I’ve heard stories about him that aren’t so nice, but that’s not the same guy I met.

by StripesForLife on Jul 3, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

of rossi's Q&A that stuck out to me
His first call was to longtime friend Sidney Crosby.

“One of toughest phone calls I’ve ever had to make,” Talbot said. “Eventually he said, ‘Yeah, it makes sense for you to go’ … but he didn’t tell me to go to Philly.”

Read more: Talbot hopes Pens fans remember him fondly – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_745080.html#ixzz1R3stPvy6

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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 3, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

To play some devil's advocate,

I loved Max as a Penguin. I really, truly did. I remember making comments when he was a rookie that he looked like a guy who, if you cut off his arms and legs, would try to block a shot with his face. Just loved his style of play.

But he’s a Flyer now. That’s O.K. on a certain level, but on the level of a Penguins fan, it’s a big no-no. These are your rivals, your most loathed, hated, historical rivals.

Sure, the Devils trap and Washington’s nouveau riche, but the Flyers have been diametrically opposed to the essence of what is Pittsburgh Penguins hockey for as long as I can remember.

Max Talbot, of anyone, should know this well. He’s been in the fights, been booed mercilessly, shushed the crowd.

These things endeared him to Penguins fans not only because they showed he had nails in his blood, but because he did them against the Flyers. He’s seen how Pittsburgh fans feel about the Flyers and he should know very well how he will gradually be received as the years go by on his deal.

That isn’t to say he shouldn’t have taken the deal or he betrayed Penguins fans or anything like that… but he is the rival now, maybe he’ll get a pleasant welcome on his return home.

But it won’t last. He’ll grind a little too hard, or he’ll do something that really gets under a Pens fan/player’s skin the way he did against the Islanders last year. Either way, Max will not be beloved or missed while he’s in a Flyers jersey.

As a detached person, I’d like to wish Max the best in his future endeavors. As a fan, I hope for nothing but pain, agony and sadness while he’s draped in orange.

by Stephen Catanese on Jul 3, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well said

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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 3, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn right brother, I couldn’t agree more. Max knew he was well liked and appreciated here in Pittsburgh, he doesn’t need an ovation. You can bet your ass I won’t be cheering for anyone wearing a Flyers jersey. I don’t care who it is or what they did, orange is the enemy where I come from.

by Tick Rocchet on Jul 3, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with your sentiments, but I don’t really blame Talbot. Philly gave him double what he’s worth and probably for twice as long as he should have been signed for.

For a guy with 2 bum shoulders and scoring droughts bigger than his 5’8 frame is tall, you gotta take the money in that position.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 3, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 3, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said yes, but....

Once again we can’t allow our personal feelings get in the way of business and that’s all this boils down to. SO……to say Max was loved by the Pittsburgh fans goes beyond saying…..but when he dons the Black and Orange of the hated Flyers, to a Penguin fan he will be reduced to nothing but one of them…a Broad Street !.

by MDhunter on Jul 3, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Max was honest. And his love and respect for penguins fans clearly shows in the interview. Thats the difference between him and Jagr. Hell, even when Jagr was in town he never really engaged himself with the community. and thats why I wish Max a 30 pt season except when he plays the Pens.

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by Will Bulldozer on Jul 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

As usual Frank, good job.
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Max wasn’t, isn’t and probably won’t be a 20-goal scorer at any point in his career. He wasn’t a hard hitter, a set-up man or even a cog in the wheel. He was an energy guy. A scrappy guy. A “put your life on the line to stop a shot even if it’s not a playoff game” sort of guy.

Anotherwords he’s a dime a dozen. Enjoy the money traitor.
Sorry Frank had to do it one last time. ;)

Is it October yet?

by Lindas1st on Jul 3, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

:(

Sad to see Max go but I’m happy to see that the flyers wasted 5.1M of cap on an energy forward and a shadow of his former self.

by stoopidtom on Jul 3, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Great job Frank. I say good luck to Max(except against us).I’m happy for him that he got a big check from a GM who doesn’t know what he is doing. Thanks for the memories, and all the charity work you did in Pigh.

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by Outcast on Jul 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

option #2

Good luck, Max.
Awesome memories.

Plus, glad to see you get (over)paid.
Its great to see “energy” guys cash in.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Option #1 & the 2nd part of #2. Hope he scores the consolation in a 6-1 drubbing on his return, after, of course, #44 catches J@$r with his head down and levels him!

Don't write cheques with your mouth that your body can't cash

by Gazelle68 on Jul 3, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice piece Frank. I feel the same, sad to watch Talbot go even though we all knew it was inevitable.

I do echo some of Stephen Cat’s points from above- though it was nice Talbot went out a classy way, he did join the worst possible team, from this perspective. The same place that chants Crosby sucks and boo’s one of your closest friends? Gotta be tough.

Penguin fans, over time, will probably get over it, Talbot has a special lore in Penguin history that he’s unlikely to create in Philly. Talbot made a good business decision, but an upsetting one here. If he gets boo’ed in his return to Pittsburgh it won’t be worrisome to me.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 3, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Ehh

If any team was going to give Talbot that contract I am glad it was the Flyers. His going away present is poising the hated rival’s salary cap.

by zeke5123 on Jul 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talbot's K may violate the CBA

from TSN’s GMiller

Max Talbot contract with Phi goes $2.5m, $2.25m, $2.25m, $1m, $1m. At first glance, seems to be a violation of the cap rules. Checking.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 3, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holmgren is such an idiot that it wouldn’t surprise me.

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by Outcast on Jul 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah surprising they’d make that mistake. I would think they could just re-work years 4-6 to make it right, but kind of embarassing they couldn’t get it right the first time.

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by Hooks Orpik on Jul 3, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said it is an easy fix. Make the 4th year $1.25 and then the 5th $.750K.

by StripesForLife on Jul 3, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blah blah blah

Asshole.

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by AlexStitch on Jul 3, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Shhhh

"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"

by strange-brew on Jul 3, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am cool with Max going, not a problem since his role can be filled by anyone. He needed to cash in like Scuds, Malone and the others. The chances of them getting more money does not come often. I would say good for him but not good luck, hehehe!

Now, anyone out there collecting money for bounty on Jagr’s head for any Pens player that would send him quickly into retirement? I’m glad to chip in.

by lmx066 on Jul 3, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve been trying to think of why Max’s signing with the Flyers feels so much worse than Rupp signing with the Rangers. Both were great team guys who seemed to really like it here. Both were offered contracts with the Penguins but left for a longer term.

Part of it’s obviously that Max signed with our most hated rival, that he will be in orange when their horrible fans are shouting Crosby sucks and mocking injured players and all of that. We certainly hate the Rangers, but it’s not as bad. But I think for me, the main reason it hurts is that Max always acted like he was loyal to Pittsburgh, like he cared about our rivalries, like he had a special bond with the city and the fans. Looking back, a lot of it was just attention whoring and self-promotion. But he worked to create that impression, so when he left it felt like a betrayal. Mike Rupp was always very complimentary about the organization, the city, and the fans, but he never pretended like he was a loyal, diehard Pittsburgh guy. So when he left for more money, fans basically said, “Yeah, I get that. Good luck man.”

It’s like Jagr saying his heart was in Pittsburgh then signing with Philly — it would have been so much less painful for Pens fans if he had been upfront about his priorities from the beginning.

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by Cari on Jul 3, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

The Talbot situation is differnt than Jagr. First of all, his playing time had been limited with the Pens, and it was obvious he was not on DB’s favorite list. Secondly he wanted a multiyear contract, that everyone knew Shero was not going to give him. Thirdly he did say upfront he was going to test the free agency. You can certainly dislike Max for going to the Flyers, but don’t lump him with Jagr.

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by Outcast on Jul 3, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

but don’t lump him with Jagr.

hear! hear!

by Diomedes7 on Jul 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally, I look at this from the perspective of the players and not the fans. For the players, this is a job/career. Yes, they definitely understand rivals and the competitive nature of the game, but in the end it is about doing what is best for them. Talbot is a perfect example of this. He is a quality guy that found the best deal for him and took it. Unfortunately, for all Pens fans that was with the Flyers.

From the hockey perspective, I am no longer a Talbot fan. From the human perspective, I wish him happiness and the best of luck.

by xaryss on Jul 3, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with that. My perspective has been for a long time, that I am a fan of the team. Not of any given player.

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by Outcast on Jul 3, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still feeling pretty burned.

I mean, Max Talbot’s a pretty integral part of our 2009 championship story. Between the 2 goals he scored in Game 7 & the Shh! that he sent the Flyers fans, he made himself a hero for us. Going to the Flyers will forever be a blemish on that record.

Between the classless gorillas that jeer our captain, the fact that Jagr signed just mere hours before Max did, even if Philly overpaid, it’ll be extremely difficult to forgive him. I would be okay with ANY team signing him, even the Capitals or the Bruins. But the team that had been & forever will be our Arch-Rival?

Fare thee well, Max. Thanks for the memories. Flower was right, Max is a douche. Aruetyc scum.

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by Alighieri on Jul 3, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Alighieri on Jul 3, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Since it’ll come up sooner or later, on behalf of all Flyers fans, I’d like to just take the egg to the face for the Talbot contract screw up and just get it over with. ::Stands at Wall of Shame:: Go ahead, hit me.

by VorAbaddon on Jul 3, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

You do realize you just took all the fun out of it right? ;)

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by Alighieri on Jul 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe….

by VorAbaddon on Jul 3, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, the fun is that you paid a 4th liner $1.8M per for FIVE years
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

couldn’t happen to a nice guy though
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by Diomedes7 on Jul 4, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF IT WAS ME....

….as Max, I would have gone out west to play, so as not to hurt those I cared about or go to a bitter, hated rival such as Filthy-delphia (HELL, those fans boo their own moms if the eggs are cooked wrong)!!! But many athletes (Hossa) are mercenaries and will trade sides if the money is right, no matter who they screw!!! I did cheer for Recchi to win the cup against Thelma and Louise (aka the Sedins), but this move is going too far!! Oh, thanks for helping us win the cup, Max, but as a wayward son, you are now dead to us Pen fans…enjoy the money, but wait until after game 82 to spend it!!! Here’s hoping you have tons of time on your hands!!!!

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by JUKEBOXHERO on Jul 4, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

can’t believe it took 41 comments to have one that I can agree with… (and the one of AlexStitch above:)

yeah, I’m happy for Max getting his payday and everything, but are you guys really so generous, good-willing and forgiving???

At the end it’s all about the money (which is normal – after all – hockey is their job), but if it is so – why were you, Max, so vocal about how you love the Pittsburgh Penguins et al.? If any of that mattered to you, you would’ve taken a 0.2 Mill. less to go elsewhere… anyway… it’s all gone now.

I would boo Jagr, but it would hurt me… a lot

I wouldn’t boo Talbot, cause I wouldn’t care much…

You have to see it for yourself...

by Bla Razor on Jul 4, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you considered the fact that he may not have had any other offers. The key here, is that he wanted a multiyear contract. The Leafs, offered him 2 years, and he turned it down.

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by Outcast on Jul 4, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not as if Max has made a Hundred Million dollars playing hockey!

While $1M a year sure sounds like a lot of $$$ to me personally and to I would guess most of the participants on this board, Athletes have a very small window in which to earn and when you’re a guy who has mucked and grinded his way from an 8th Round pick to an opportunity to earn $9M over the next 5 years which is what a 75% pay raise from his $1.05M on a yearly basis you HAVE To take it.
Hated seeing Ryan Malone go but he had to as well. RM certainly annoyed me this last playoff series with TB but as any good employee he represents the team he is paid by.
On that score I won’t be cheering for Max as a Flyer but he had a great opportunity and needed to take it. The amount Max has made to date and the amount he can make before he has to hang it up can’t be compared to a former mullet head that has earned in excess of $100M playing hockey and claimed his heart was in Pittsburgh.

by Dutch71 on Jul 4, 2011 2:50 AM EDT reply actions  

USS Gill and Scuderi too

Lot of good guys that have left the Pens. Max was a great team player and had a phenomenal run when it really mattered back in the 2009 Playoffs. Scuds and USS Gill were as well on that team. Unfortunately with the Cap there is always upheaval. Sorry Max is going, but players need to be concerned about their families. It is a sport but it is a business as well…

by Dutch71 on Jul 4, 2011 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly I couldn't pick either of the 3 choices

1) I don’t really hate to see him go, he’s not irreplaceable and with the money he got…better the Flyers than us.

2) Thanks for the memories, but no good luck from me. You’re a Flyer now.

3) He’s not a traitor, this is probably the 1 chance in his life to get a bigger contract…even if the Flyers are idiots for giving him that much. I can’t blame him for taking that $

Max will forever have a special place in my Penguin memories, and not just for the 2 goals in game 7. But he’s not Sid or Geno. That would be a kick in the nuts to lose either of them.

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by mhuff13 on Jul 4, 2011 2:56 AM EDT reply actions  

nice writeup!
That is exactly what I needed right now!

And BTW: Pittsburgh is a beautiful city! I just had the luck to stay in Pit for three days. Unfortunately the arena was closed down and I could only visit the store ^^

by gollimoppel on Jul 4, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice summary. I’ve always said: IN SHERO I TRUST

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by Outcast on Jul 4, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like this is some kind of karma for me as I defended Johnny Damon signing with the Yankees after his contract with the Red Sox was up. Once in you’re in that position, though, it hurts. It’s like a breakup that way: it can have a million good reasons for happening (or 9 million), but that doesn’t make it easier or sting less.

A Rangers fan once told me Talbot was the dirtiest player on the Penguins because he uses his stick more than he should. That basically told me that at some point, I will hate Talbot for the stuff he does against the Penguins. Once his career is over, though, I’ll be able to remember Talbot for the reasons I loved having him on the Pens in the first place: his big heart, his work ethic, and Game 7.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 4, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Word on the street is that Talbot’s deal with Philadelphia may be called back by the NHL for violating the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. You can read the blog post about it here on Puck Daddy. The Flyers front office are expected to restructure the deal to make it more palatable under the rules established last year after the whole Ilya Kovalchuk thing. It’ll be interesting to see what changes.

by kellyn on Jul 4, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Saw it. Seemed like a minor issue. Quick shifting of a couple of hundred thousand (realized how weird it is to be saying that like it’s nothing – deadbeat woes!) & they’re golden…

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by Alighieri on Jul 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey there! What’ve you been up to? I haven’t really talked to any of you guys since April.

by kellyn on Jul 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been on here for a while either. Last couple of months have been erm… interesting to say the least. Haha. I’ll drop you a DM on twitter or something when things calm down here in a day or so.

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by Alighieri on Jul 4, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It annoys me a great deal that this contract is cap circumvention, but the Richards and Ehrhoff deals are fine.

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by Sid the captain on Jul 4, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a joke, but hopefully they’ll sort it out in the new CBA next year.

by Skyff on Jul 4, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Problem with Max’s Contract?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370862

Is it October yet?

by Lindas1st on Jul 4, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sorry to see Max go. He was an extremely hard working player and a key part of the penalty kill unit. As for him going to Philly, I don’t care where a player goes if he’s not on the Pens. Max got a good deal and he had to take it.

by rlsuth on Jul 4, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually I think we can live w/o him on the kill. Sure he played some part in our getting to the top of that particular mountain but between Adams, Staal, Dupuis & Cookie (even with his potential problems) plus we got more depth in having guys like Sid who are willing to chip in…

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by Alighieri on Jul 4, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A break-up

for someone like Max to leave.. its not just a player leaving, its like a boyfriend/girlfriend breaking up with you. I feel like part of my heart is gone…. I just want to say good luck to Talbot in Philly.. I hope that you have dry games everytime you play the penguins.. Pittsburgh and every penguins fan across the country loves you.

by soccerprincess0 on Jul 5, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

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