New Max Talbot Blog: On Signing with the Flyers, Leaving Pittsburgh and His Role with Philly
As you probably know by now, our residential translator Becky has done some work with Max Talbot and Marc-Andre Fleury blogs over the past two years or so. We've already debated going forward with a few of Max's blogs, seeing as how he's no longer a part of the team and all. Odds are we'll see some sort of post from him when the Flyers play the Pens for the first time on Dec. 8 in Philly, or perhaps even when he and the Flyers pay a visit to Consol Energy Center on Dec. 29.
At any rate, here is the latest blog from the former Pen in which he talks about signing with the Flyers and selling his house in Pittsburgh. He goes on for a while about his memories in Pittsburgh. And I know a number of people remain torn on it all (still), but the way he responds to it all is exactly how I'd expect him to.
Read on for more...
A few days after my signing a contract with the Philadelphia Flyers, I am still overwhelmed and excited by the challenge that awaits me.
Several teams showed an interest in me when the free agent market opened on July 1st. I opted for the Flyers because it’s a solid team that I think is capable of winning. When you leave an organization like the Penguins, you try to find another place where you know they’ll take just as good care of you.
From experience, I am very familiar with the Flyers’ organization--given the number of times that we’ve faced them. There is a great rivalry between the two teams, and I am sure that my leaving for Philadelphia wasn’t really to the liking of all the Penguins fans. But in all honesty, I think that it is Jaromir Jagr who has been most criticized in the Pittsburgh papers for not signing with the Penguins.
We talked with four or five teams and things happened very quickly. Some teams told us that they would contact us later. But we wanted to get something done quickly. For those who are interested, the Canadiens did not contact my agent.
I have gotten a lot of messages from Pittsburgh fans on my website, and the reaction to the announcement of my departure is mixed. Half of the people understand my decision and support me. Some say that I will be the only Flyer that they will root for. Other fans are sad because I am going to continue my career wearing the uniform of their Pennsylvania enemy. But I understand their reaction given the rivalry that exists between the two clubs.
When I became an unrestricted free agent, one of my priorities was to join a solid organization. I could have gotten better terms elsewhere, but I thought that in Philadelphia I had the best chance of winning. The second most important aspect for me was the length of the contract. Together with my agent, we wanted a contract of at least four years. In the end, I got a deal of five years and I am very happy with it. That will give me enough time to establish myself and show my leadership.
I knew two days before the draft that my association with the Penguins was about to be terminated. Truly, it was when they sent me an email giving me their final offer that I understood that it was over. Their proposition didn’t make much sense to us and I can tell you that it was far from what the Flyers ended up offering me. From that moment on, I knew that my future would include another team. I remember being in bed and trying to imagine myself in another uniform. Given all the incredible moments I had wearing a Penguins uniform, I found that very difficult. I spent six seasons in a Penguins uniform; I gave my heart to that team and with it I won the Stanley Cup. When I look back on my six years in Pittsburgh, I see only the positive points that came from it.
We’ll see what the reaction of Pens fans will be when the Flyers first visit the Penguins on December 29. I don’t know how I will be welcomed, but no one can take away the energy that I gave to the team and all that we accomplished together. To find myself on the opposite side in Pittsburgh will be very strange. And to play against my old teammates as well. But whatever will happen, will happen. I don’t intend to worry myself about this too much already in July.
I have spoken to almost all of my old teammates and members of the staff since I signed my new contract. Not a single one of them has gotten down on me because I’m going to continue my career with the Flyers, because they all understand the situation. I wanted to join a good organization and it just happens to be that it’s the Flyers.
I’ve spoken with Daniel Brière and Ian Laperrière since I signed with the Flyers. I have also talked with Claude Giroux, who was—just like me—the captain of the Gatineau Olympiques. Chris Pronger also telephoned me. He’s a player that I didn’t know. I also talked to Sean Couturier to welcome him to the Flyers, even though, ironically, I’ve not yet put on their uniform.
I can say that the Penguins and the Flyers are both very classy organizations, with solid owners and teams. Both teams know how to take care of their players and will do whatever it takes to win. To know that you are in good hands when you change organizations and that the new team won’t skimp when it comes to winning, that’s important to players.
My role
I think that the Flyers see me pretty much like an Ian Laperrière. Philadelphia liked my experience and my leadership. It’s important for them to find a leader, especially with all the new faces who’ll be on the team come autumn. At 27 years old, it will be up to me to show my experience, my enthusiasm, and my intensity. I will play the same role that I did in Pittsburgh.
The summer season is chugging along, and I’ve gotten back to training, which is going very well. I am in great shape. I’m going to go to Philadelphia in August, so as to skate with the guys. I’ve also got to make the effort to sell my house in Pittsburgh and find someplace to live in my new city.
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I can tell you that it was far from what the Flyers ended up offering me.
It’s because you’re not worth what the Flyers offered you.
The guy talked so much shit about the Flyers every time they came up, then he goes and takes their money.
Good luck Judas!
bitter much alex? why you ragging on a guy for making a better living than he was? you telling me you wouldn’t have done the same as he did? if you are, i am calling you a liar.
No, he didn’t like Max even when he was here, so he’s now enjoying bashing the shit out of him.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jul 7, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t like him the last two years when he did absolutely nothing, so yes, Slayer is correct, but Slayer is also Talbot’s mom and always stands up for Max, so. . .
And no, I wouldn’t have done what he did. Going to the rival of the team you thought would be so hard to leave would not be an option.
Rivals exist between fan bases. Not players.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Jul 8, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then he shouldn’t have run his mouth the last six years about how much he hated the Flyers. The Jets shouldn’t have said how they can’t stand the Steelers and being second rate to them.
But then you, or perhaps, someone less biased would rip him for not hating the opponent enough. Athletes can’t really win in this discussion.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Disagree
Players don’t look at rivalries the same way fans do. Look at Chris Chelios, said he hated detroit and would never play there blah blah blah where did he finish his career and who is his current employer.
Not only was the offer from Philly much better than what the Pens would/could give he is going to a team that is a contender. Each team has to decide how they want to allocate cap space and I am glad the Penguins made their decision NOT on sentimental grounds. I wish Max the best of luck personally but not the Flyers nor Max when he plays the Pens.
Don’t know what kind of line of work Alex is in, Professional Athlete is probably not it, so try this comparision, You’re the manager at Costco and Sam’s Club rings up and offers more money and a longer guarantee, you going to pass it up?
People work for competitors/rivals all the time. Max made a good move, I’m just sorry it happened to be frickin’ Philly.
Great guy but his on ice skills can certainly be replaced.
But in all honesty, I think that it is Jaromir Jagr who has been most criticized in the Pittsburgh papers for not signing with the Penguins.
Ain’t that the truth.
I could have gotten better terms elsewhere, but I thought that in Philadelphia I had the best chance of winning.
Someone else would’ve given him more money?
I can say that the Penguins and the Flyers are both very classy organizations, with solid owners and teams. Both teams know how to take care of their players
Just ask Richards and Carter how well the flyers took care of them.
Overall, I’ll miss seeing Max in our sweater, but our team will be better this year
There were definitely teams out there that offered more money. Teams like Winnegpeg or Pheonix would probably kill to have a likeable community guy, who also was a playoff hero with his 2 goals in the SCF. Many teams had to spend to get to the cap floor, which is why I think he would have gotten more money offered.
Overall, I’ll miss seeing Max in our sweater, but our team will be better this year
I agree with you it’s going to suck looking around for #25 in black and gold, but if your suggesting this team is going to be better because he’s gone, that’s way off base.
by StripesForLife on Jul 7, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Talbot to wear #27 just FYI
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 7, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense with the more money thing. Being from Winnipeg, and having half-season tix, it would’ve been nice to see him here. But I guess he got the most he could on a contender.
I’m not suggesting that we’re better because he’s gone, merely saying that I think we will have a better team than last year. I think most of that has to do with having the big 3 centers (fingers crossed) back in the line-up together, and not having to rely on someone of Max’s skill level to play 3C like we did in the midst of the injury bug.
I’m sure his loss will be felt most in the locker room, but we’ve got a lot of character guys that can fill that void.
I was conflicted about Max before I read this, and I’m still conflicted about him. This was the part that stood out for me:
I remember being in bed and trying to imagine myself in another uniform. Given all the incredible moments I had wearing a Penguins uniform, I found that very difficult. I spent six seasons in a Penguins uniform; I gave my heart to that team and with it I won the Stanley Cup. When I look back on my six years in Pittsburgh, I see only the positive points that came from it.However he is, I miss the old Max :(
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Ok Max you're not that important...
He acts like he’s Lebron giving an apology to Cleveland. Come on you’re the type of player that can be replaced in a snap. I could care less where he went
by GO_BUCS on Jul 7, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not at all
LeBron sought out media attention. This was just on Talbot’s private blog; did you really expect him to not mention it in his web diary?
you could care less huh. liar. you sound like he jilted you. get over it. let the guy make a living already.
Stay Classy Max
Thanks for the translation.. Max IMO said the right things and nobody should hold his move against him…
It’s easy to sit back as a fan and be upset with someone because they didn’t do what you wanted them to do… It’s easy to say oh you should have taken less money and went to any team but the flyers.. but It’s his life, his money, his future he has to look out for.
I have NO ill will towards Max and hope he thrives in Philly… good luck Max.
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by Stros Bro on Jul 7, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have NO ill will towards Max and hope he thrives in Philly…good luck Max
I echo these sentiments. Good luck Max, I’m happy for you, just don’t carry the Flyers on a deep playoff run.
by StripesForLife on Jul 7, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
signing a 5 year deal…
I believe a few ex flyers had long term deals locked up too, Well see how long Max lasts. I certainly dont give it 5 years.
Im not angry at him at all, in sports sometimes you have to worry about yourself, just hope it works out for him.
Except for when he plays the Pens.
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I would be surprised if he didn't last
I mean unless the Flyers tank and Talbot plays up to his contract in which case another team would be willing to take on the rest of it at that number, or if the Flyers are good and Talbot is a disaster(which I don’t see happening.. at least him being a disaster), then why/how would they get rid of him?
I just can’t see another team taking on his contract
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I duplicate that sentiment as a Flyers fan. We are paying Jody 1.1m for 3 years to get beat up 10 times a year, 1.8 to take hard minutes and PK time is going to make him a hero in Philly. They went and got another Laperriere, which is what this town thrives on. I see him making it to 5 years more easily than I see Bryzgalof making it to 5 years in Orange and Black.
personally
I think the Devils and Kovalchuk should now sue the NHL for age discrimination. They’re essentially saying he CAN’T play until he’s 44.
Go Devils
by FrankG929 on Aug 9, 2010 5:15 PM PDT
(from my comments on another post)
Talked with a guy at work about Max. He said some NHL team (not sure if it was CHI but he said CHI, I think TOR offered him less) offered him the exact same contract and that he turned it down to go to Philly, full well knowing the Flyers hate (Shhhh) just because of some weird in state tax rule where if he went to another state he would have made a lower bottom line than staying in PA. Money hungry Jagr and you will get along just fine, and you both have seen your last cup.
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You guys make too much of rivalries....
Rivalries are rivalries for the fans WAY more than they are for the players.. Most players don’t grow up rooting for the team they play on… Yes there are some exceptions.. Yes the players know about the rivalries and yes the atmosphere in a rivalry game is more intense than non-rivalry games… But do you the think average player on the Penguins has a hatred for the Flyers? Hell no… the Flyers are just another team. Yes there is some history with the SHHH and some negative comments from Max about the Flyers(which the ones I seen[and remember] weren’t really negative…). Other than that, they are just another team.
Do you think Orpik or Crosby or Staal or Fleury give a rip that Talbot chose the Flyers over the Maple Leafs or Chicago? Not a chance. Come on now… The Flyers offered him the best deal so he took it… He wasn’t going back to the Pens because they gave him a low ball offer(in his eyes), so once that was done, it was bring me the best offer. Can’t blame him for that.
Jagr is a little different story because he led Pittsburgh on about wanting to come back here and it not being about money and all that..
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I agree with the sentiment, but not with the details. Madden had a Max and Stan Savran (I think) interview on the other day, and in that Max talked about how he’d “hated” the Flyers for 6 years. Basically, he acknowledged that it was a strange thought to go play for a team that he had hated for the last 6 years.
A guy who plays like Max doesn’t take these things lightly.
That said, a guy like Max can also get over it and move on, professionally. Unlike your standard Pens fan.
Jagr? I hardly even know 'er.
I don’t think “money hungry” is a fair depiction of Talbot. Why wouldn’t a 27 year old professional hockey player take an opportunity like the one the Flyers offered him? In many ways he’s got the best of both worlds: one of the better money + term contracts he was likely to get, plus playing for a playoff contender.
Does it sting a little, Max going to the Flyers? Of course it does! But I think the point for Max is that he’s enough of a professional to put the rivalry behind him, and in the larger scheme it was the right choice for Max to go there.
Do I wish he would have gone absolutely anywhere other than the Flyers? Of course! (well. the Caps might be equally bad. although I can’t quite decide on that one.) But let’s not go overboard and demonize the guy for making a life decision based on the opportunities that were available to him. He’s making bank and he’s playing for a team with a solid (albeit ridonkulous, brutish and a;sldfkja;dfj) fan base, not to mention a team with quite a bit of recent success and talent. Sure, it would have given me a great deal of pleasure to find out that Max had turned down a great contract from the Flyers in favour of something lesser but non-Flyers. But I really don’t see how we hold it against him for taking the opportunity.
Yes, it will be awful to see him in that orange jersey. But really. I’m so over hearing people bash Max’s character because of this decision.
Jagr? I hardly even know 'er.
Good luck Max
Is all I can say.
You were an average player who helped the Pens win the Cup with those 2 goals in game 7. I will always remember that, appreciate that and love you for that.
However, it will be very easy for me to cheer against you as a dirty Flyer.
So long hockey: until next season.
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Yikes, lots of hate
I’ll admit when I first heard the news that Talbot had signed with the Flyers, my first reaction was to kick things and swear at him. Bu then I calmed down and thought about it. He became expendable on the Penguins. He is a great guy, amazing character guy in the locker room. But the past two years his on ice production has decreased dramatically. The Penguins have plenty of character guys to step into Max’s shoes there and chip in more on the ice. Max has always been one of my favorite Penguins. And he still will be. I don’t blame him one bit for going for the big contract. He figured out that the young guys in the Pens’ organization were catching up and passing him, so it was time to move on. And get paid at the same time. I am a little pissed that it was the Flyers that he chose to go to. But he has a point. If Bryzgalov doesn’t crap the bed and the Flyers can figure out how to score goals after trading their two leading goal scorers (I believe), they have a great chance to make a run at the Cup. (I am puking while writing that by the way lol). Why turn down a longer contract, big money, and more playing time on a good team? I’ll root for Max in a Flyer’s uniform. I’ll root for him to do well, except when the Pens and the Flyers play. Then I’ll just hope he doesn’t score or get hurt. I’ll never forget Max’s contributions to winning the Cup. And his personality. And his presence in the locker room. Love ya Superstar. The traitor, however, can go suck it. I will never root for #68 in a Flyer’s uniform.
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I am SO disappointed.
I came over here to check out what Pens fans were saying about Max’s blog, thinking that he said everything positive he could (aside from the slight snub at what the team offered him). And here I find some of the most ungrateful bastards ever to post about hockey. Are you effing serious? Any of you morons happen to remember him scoring BOTH goals in the Cup winning game a few years ago? Maxime Talbot was the heart and soul of the Penguins – he carried the team on his shoulders. Likening him to Ian Laperierre is not a bad analogy (and the Flyers sure hope an accurate one). And if Max plays for Philly the way he did for Pittsburgh, he will earn every red cent of his contract.
I have never liked the stigma Pens fans get, especially since I was a fan since the early ‘90s even though I grew up in Philly. But the posts here do nothing to dispel the stench of bitter bandwagoners. You really hate Jagr, just because he didn’t give you a hometown discount … when in fact he played only HALF of his professional career there? I loved Jagr – and still do – and will be thrilled to see him in a Flyers uniform. One of the top point-getters in league history, and you disavow him just because he decided not to play for you? Grow up! It’s a business. Do you see how the Pens could have offered Jagr $3.3 million? (Try Capgeek.) Me neither – so stop whining about it. Or even a five-year deal to Max that would be worth his while?
Players move off every season. The Flyers are dealing with management’s decision to move the two players everyone regarded as the core of the team – Richards and Carter. And yet those players will still have fans in Philly. For you people here to turn your backs on a class-act like Maxime Talbot is frankly disgusting. I can’t wait to buy my Orange and Black Talbot jersey, and then happily ‘ssshhh!’ you all.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 8, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I like Max, but if you think he wasnt a liability the last 2 seasons then you need to catch up with everyone else. Max really did not try as hard as we all knew he could. He was decent yes, but at 1.8 or 2.5 or whatever he is not worth it, he milked the system. He got top lines ice time as well and squandered it.
We all like max but we hate the Flyers more…and dude! Your a Pens fan talking about buying a Flyers jersey! SMACK YOURSELF!
Max wasn’t that good dude, he is replaceable. Yes he helped us win the cup but to go the flyers for MONEY REASONS shows he doesn’t really like Pittsburgh as much as his mouth says. I think he just knows Orpik wants to blow him up and is trying to save himself the trouble.
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 8, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh your actually a Flyers fan…man check yourself. You can’t talk about Max and Jagr you have not seen them play half as much as the people here, so they have a right to comment on it.
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 8, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee I saw Jagr play as much as any ‘fan’ here. I still have the sports pages from the both of the Cups Jagr won with the team. And my Jagr jersey, bought during the 1990 season.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 9, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well then you know why we are all mad at him & have every right to be
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 10, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
We don’t hate Jagr for not giving a hometown discount. We hate him for claiming he’d love to come back to Pittsburgh, had an offer on the table, and took his sweet time in deciding until it was too late. Then to top it all off, he signs with our biggest rival. If he really wanted to come back to Pittsburgh, he would’ve taken the offer as soon as it was made. And if he didn’t want to come back, he should’ve never said he did and led us to believe he was telling the truth.
Had he merely kept his mouth shut, took in all the offers, and signed in Philly, sure people wouldn’t like him, but it probably wouldn’t be as severe as it is now. The biggest deal is him leading us on.
by The Malk-Man on Jul 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps I didn’t follow the lead-up as closely as I should have, but I don’t remember any quotes from Jagr saying he wanted to play only for the Pens. He definitely said he wanted to play in the NHL again, and he even stated he would like playing for the Penguins again, but that is not a statement of exclusivity. I understand your feeling of getting your hopes up, and having them dashed. Hell, I even sympathize – I came to Pensburgh looking to see what the consensus was, because I felt it was wierd to think of Jagr in a Flyers jersey. But seeing people talking complete shit on such a great player – call him selfish, or immoral, or whatever, but saying he wasn’t any good? Ludicrous.
I appreciate your candor, and I don’t intend all the posters here to take what I said as personal. Just the knee-jerk reactions, the unjustified ones. Fair?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 9, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps I didn’t follow the lead-up as closely as I should have, but I don’t remember any quotes from Jagr saying he wanted to play only for the Pens. He definitely said he wanted to play in the NHL again, and he even stated he would like playing for the Penguins again, but that is not a statement of exclusivity.
Jagrs agent played go fish with Shero/Byslma. His agent came out and said a decision would be made the day before the trade deadline, then changed his statement and said one would be made “in the next few days” Also, supposedly behind closed doors JJ told Mario that he was ready to play for the Pens. (no source, thats a rumor) The agent was telling the media that the race was between the Pens and Detroit.
How can you not be mad? One of the best players in franchise history uses the fans, Mario, and the coaching staff like a tissue to blow his nose in. He still has a great legacy, but this is like spitting in the face of your mother and father.
He was after money all along. I don’t see how 1.3 million more than the 2 mill we offered is a “lot more money” than the 7 mill he made over 3 years in Russia, but then again I don’t focus my life around money, either.
Get in the fast lane grandma, the bingo game is ready to roll!
by PensForTheWin on Jul 10, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I can respect your opinion about not focusing your life around money – but yeah, Jagr definitely doesn’t want to worry about Social Security ya know? I think he saw this as an opportunity to play in ‘the big leagues’ one last time, and kinda made the most of it. While we all wish that our team’s players would be loyal to the dying end, that just usually isn’t the case. Very few players give management a ‘hometown discount’ … and vice-versa.
So you can still be disappointed, or even mad, but some of the comments about how he wasn’t ever that good and so on, they’re just stupid and reactive. Be angry! But trying to lessen the record of a great player just isn’t the way to express it. It onl;y decreases people’s opinion of you (generalized) as a fan.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t that good. You’re putting Talbot on a pedestal. Especially the last two years for us, he was horrendous. That’s fact. You’re just in the honeymoon phase of signing a great locker room guy, but not a great ice guy.
It seems there might be some confusion. I don’t think anyone has said that Jagr “wasn’t ever that good.” All “not very good” comments were directed towards Talbot, like Alex’s was above.
by The Malk-Man on Jul 11, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true of this thread (and perhaps Pensburgh as a whole) but I have heard Pens fans talking about how “Jagr was only carried by Lemieux, he was never any good, he’s a turnover machine …” etc etc. It’s just WRONG.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Jagr was a fantastic player, and a HOFer to be sure. However, I meant that I haven’t seen anyone on this blog say that he wasn’t good. Please don’t lump us in with other Pens fans you’ve heard.
There has been comments about him being 39, out of the league for 3 years, and possibly not in NHL shape. This is purely speculation because we can’t judge his impact until we see him play, but I don’t think it’s wrong of us to say. It’s a discussion piece.
by The Malk-Man on Jul 11, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough – I apologize for the implication. I still take umbrage with bad-mouthing Max though! :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, ok. I don’t view Max with the same lens that I view JJ. We all knew Max was gone, and realized it could be to any of the other teams. I won’t hold it against him, because he didn’t lead us to believe that he was close to a deal with us.
While I think he is replacable, especially on the ice, his personality will be missed in the room, and by most fans, including myself.
But I guess we’re all entitled to our opinions.
by The Malk-Man on Jul 11, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the last two years for us, he was horrendous. That’s fact.
If it’s fact, back it up. If you’re expecting him to score like Crosby – yes, he was a serious mistake. If you’re looking to him to be a utility player, take PK minutes and defensive draws, be a pest on the ice and a strong locker-room presence (that is, not expecting too much) he’s been a great player for you. I will readily admit Max isn’t a scoring machine. He’s not a top pugilist. He’s not a top faceoff guy. But he does everything adequately, without specializing like that. It’s called a complete player – and that’s rare with any level of skill associated.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re just in the honeymoon phase of signing
And you’re in the ‘jilted lover’ phase – I get it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Jagr gave Mario his word dammit! If you stayed awake through the whole fiasco Jagr committed to the Pens. Shabuir said he’d play for a million even. Besides, we have never blasted his service for us. He did great work for us as a Pen but I still think it’s immensely stupid for him to turn around on a team run by (by all accounts, good friend) & a fan base who adores him.
If Hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too.
I still think it’s immensely stupid for him to turn around on a team run by (by all accounts, good friend) & a fan base who adores him.
I definitely wonder how the conversation with Mario actually went. It may be cold of Jagr to refuse a contract from Pittsburgh, when it’s his friend as owner. But don’t forget – the Pens traded Jagr away to Washington; he didn’t choose to leave. If he expected to be a cornerstone player (as captain and all), being traded could leave some real discontent. And then receiving an offer of over 50% more money from another team that has a chance at the Cup … may have been harder to resist than you all give him credit for.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For you people here to turn your backs on a class-act like Maxime Talbot is frankly disgusting.
Honestly, I was with you until then, and only because you’re a Flyers fan who was more than likely saying the complete opposite in 2009 when he shushed the crowd. Outside of that one line though I agree with how a number of people are reacting to him making a career move.
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Actually, I got quite a laugh out of him ‘shushing’ the crowd. That’s the kind of spirit I like to see in a player, regardless of which jersey he’s wearing.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 9, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So now you laughed when Talbot SHHHHsed the crowd in Philly? Are you sure your a Flyers fan? I’m pretty sure I would be pissed.
You guys will love Talbot so much then, another over rated over payed player on the Flyers, he fits right in.
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 10, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Naah, it really was that ballsy and funny that I appreciated it regardless of team loyalty. Honest.
And you’d be surprised to know, I guess, that I am in the minority (at BSH) that are REALLY in favor of the Talbot signing. Most people think, “Eh, but he’s overpaid for sure.”
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that Max was (in your words) the “heart & soul of the Penguins” makes the entire defection to Philly hurt more. Sure players move every year, if Carter & Richards had the autonomy to choose & freely decided to sign with the Pens instead of being traded as per management decision, you’d be calling for his head too.
I’m disappointed that Max decided to dress like a traffic cone. His time here was up, he knew he was a hometown favorite so walking to our archrivals? That stung. Jagr I knew could be a bit of a money grubbing sleaze (post 2000) but we expected better of Max.
Oh, & you call yourself a Pens fan yet you come to this blog & call us “morons”, “bandwagoners” & then deride us for not cheering for a Flyer? You’re a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic, aren’t you?
Besides, as for the real heart & soul of this team & the guy who carried the team on his shoulders (not that it needs much carrying anyway)? There’s a certain guy named Sidney Crosby. I think you might have heard of him.
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by Alighieri on Jul 10, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
the guy who carried the team on his shoulders
You mean the guy who was out for HALF THE SEASON???? Tough to carry a team from the press box. Crosby may be the captain, but I think you underestimate the value your ‘grit’ players can have. Talbot is defintely one of the unsung heroes from last season. Certainly not Crosby (who did play well when he could, but for the most part couldn’t).
Get real. I am not deriding you for not cheering – I understand it sucks. BUT I am absolutely blasting you (and not you in particular) for making personal attacks on the players. It is a business; doesn’t mean we have to like it, but the players understand that. And some of the more idiotic comments here, about how Jagr wasn’t ever very good and Max was always a scumbag – I mean, really?
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Max and I grew up watching Jagr and still admire his play. But, I’m realistic about both having also watched years of their on and off ice behaviour (in part obviously since I don’t know either of them personally) I won’t attack the legacy of either player, but I don’t watch with blinder. I’ll be interested to see how you feel sometime around January.
Oh ya, Max’s 8 goals and 13 assists in 82 games. He was really carrying the team there. Start using your head dude, that’s that lump of shit three feet above your ass.
Graduate from eighth grade, then come talk to me.
Not all hockey players need to score 20+ goals in a season, doofus.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but there’s a point past which you can’t keep compensating for lack of production with intangibles. Max’ intangibles were awesome, and they made him an awesome person, but his production was a way lower than Sid’s
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Let me ask this question…and this is coming from someone who merely skimmed the discussion.
Are we seriously having an argument about who was more valuable this season: Sid or Max? Really? REALLY?!
Anyone who comes in here and tries to argue for Max needs to be ignored by us and they also might want to give up this whole “Look at me! I’m a rational hockey fan!” thing. But, that’s just me.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 12, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the infamous “You must be a little kid” insult, how I’ve miss thee.
I was over this whole thing and over Max, because that is the type of player Max is at his core, easily forgettable, easily replaceable, but you’re asinine comments and lack of real knowledge keeps bringing me back here, more for a jolly good time than to engage in a meaning conversation. Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City “Sailor wanna hump-hump” bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we’re all stocked up here.
Sell crazy someplace else, we’re all stocked up here.
That, sir, is blatantly evident. BTW, it’s YOUR, not ’you’re’.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 14, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Max Talbot was a more important Penguin than Sid? Sid had 66 points in 41 GP and Max had 21 points in twice the number of games.
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Considering how we’ve been beating home the point for a while, he’s remarkably persistent. Either that or the wheels are spinning but the hamster’s dead!
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that looks really painful
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It’s not all about points. If you can’t accept that, we’ll never come to any sort of understanding. So be it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, it’s not all about points. If it was, we’d all hate Max and be overjoyed to get rid of him.
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This is where I smell a rat! I mean a Flyer! You’re one of those bat rastards who chants “Crosby Sucks!” at games aren’t you?
Max is a decent player but he isn’t even our most important penalty killer! He’s done his due for the Pens sure & I’ll always remember his two goals. But to say he’s more important to the club than Sid? Boy! Am I glad you aren’t any team’s GM.
Okay. Say we remove Sid since he didn’t play enough games. Max’s production still couldn’t compare to Tanger, Dupper, Kunitz, Staal (who played half of Max’s games), Letestu, Geno, TK, Cooke & (defensive defenseman) Paul Martin. Tanger, Kuni & TK both had at least double of Max’s points.
In fact, go back to that orange heck from whence you came! You forced us to strip Max’s worth down repeatedly. If I didn’t like the guy before, I would hate him now after being forced to type what I did. And I sure as hell don’t like you for starting this line of thought.
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See above.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Talbot is definitely one of the unsung heroes from last season.
I think you’re over-estimating how good Max was last year (and the year before). On a team with a +39 goal differential, he was a -3. Yes, he was part of a very good penalty kill, but truthfully I’d put at least three other forwards ahead of him on the PK last year (Staal, Cooke & Adams (CFA! CFA!)). He’s also a great guy to have in the mix personality-wise, as is clear from the kind of loosening and calming effect he’s always had on guys like Fleury and Crosby. And he’ll no doubt rise to the challenge of being a leader in the Flyers’ dressing room.
Also, I suspect he’ll play really good games when he plays against the Pens, just like he always managed to elevate his game against the Flyers, and in other “big game” sorts of situations. But he is a grinder guy. Two years ago it seemed like he was ready for a promotion to a scoring line, but he’s just not that player. He’s one of those players who gives you moments of brilliance, but who also sometimes to leaves you wondering why you love him so much.
Yes, we get the value of the grit players. But we have a number of them. Last season it sometimes felt like that’s all we had on our roster. Talbot is replaceable, and he’s probably not worth the term of the contract the Flyers have given him. But good on him for getting it.
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by PopRocks on Jul 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Actually … there’s nothing I can argue with here. I agree with probably every point you make, except maybe I would say that looking at your whole paragraph and considering all the things that Max was at least involved in (if not excelling at, at least working on) that’s a pretty complete and useful player. Is the contract long and considerable? Yes – and its value is debatable. Does that contract overestimate how good Max was over the last two years? Perhaps. But in a season of questionable moves by the FO in Philly, the one move that is consistent with the theme of getting the guy they want come hell or high salary-cap-hit AND fills a distinct need on the squad was signing Talbot.
In any event, wanted to thank you for a reasonable (and well-reasoned) response.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well put I will miss Max and would have loved to see Jagr play for the Penguins since I missed that part, but I’m luck enough to be able to see them a lot as all the Flyers games are broadcasted here in South Jersey, and will continue to cheer for both and miss seeing them in Pens jerseys.
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by gingerredboy on Jul 8, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought: I would like to see how long the Max Talbot love lasts...
as soon as Talbot checks Crosby or Malkin, how will your reactions be? I like him, and have no ill will, but if he is going to join the enemy then he gets ALL of that not some of it. All the Flyer hate, boos, bigtime hits, everything. Fans are welcome to rip him, I think he opened that door as soon as he rejected the Pens contract.
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as long as it's a clean check
then I won’t have a problem with it.
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
Well I have a feeling it wont be clean…thats all I am saying
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yes because Talbot has a history of dirty hits...
come on, now you’re just being silly.
There's an 87% chance this post is sarcasm...
Like I said, lets see what happens.
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 10, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
yes because Talbot has a history of dirty hits…
come on, now you’re just being silly.
Agreed. Max is a pest-like player, but a clean on at that.
Guys, it’s time to let this Max thing die until the season or when we play them. It’s been 10 days since he signed; Talbot is an attention whore and all we’re giving him is what he wants.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 10, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh? Is there some reason to believe that Max holds a grudge against Crosby or Malkin? Or is he just a dirty player?
Or are you just being bitter???
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by MaximumTalbot on Jul 9, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither. I am not saying Talbot is a dirty player at all. There is going to be a lot more animosity between the Pens and Flyers. I just am saying that as soon as Talbot hits one of our players, he may as well have cheap shotted them because the bench and team is going to respond like it was a dirty hit IMO.
Already said above that I am not bitter, do try to keep up. This has nothing to do with Talbots history or anything. The Flyers jersey has turned multiple players into complete douche bags, I have a feeling Max will not avoid that fate.
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 10, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Next thing you know Max and Talbot will be co-hosting a weekly poker night. Avery will be on top of the list as well.
he may as well have cheap shotted them because the bench and team is going to respond like it was a dirty hit IMO.
Oh come on, dude. Don’t be ridiculous.
The team was over the fact Max wasn’t going to be a Penguin anymore long before he put ink to a Flyer’s contract.
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by AllieLXXXVII on Jul 10, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Karma for Flyers fans?
Can’t wait until Karma pays back the Flyers. Richards and Carter want to come back, and mess with Flyers mgmt, only to come to the Pens wooo
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Maybe the Flyers
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That==Karma.
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by PensFanInDenver on Jul 10, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
wooooooooooo
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by PensForTheWin on Jul 10, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
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