Matt Cooke is trying to reform his game...Will it take?
Getting away from the Sidney Crosby rumors for a moment, Rob Rossi throws a great piece out about Matt Cooke that's the must read for the day.
That's no excuse for hurting anyone though. And especially with seeing what's happened with Crosby and his concussion woes, Penguin fans understand better than anyone that no hockey player deserves to have to deal with head trauma. On the macro level that clearly means there should no place in the game for those that deliberately attempt to injure vulernable players.
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Related Note:
Story about Matt Cooke & his lady’s battle with illness since the Winter Classic from the Trib.
Honestly, the fact that he kept all of that quiet all season? Wowza… Tell me now how you can hate this guy.
If Hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too.
in other news, I am an idiot for jumping the gun before clicking on all the links in the article like a stupidhead….
If Hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too.
Reply first, read later..It’s the Pensburgh way
Jagr? I don't even know 'er.
by PopRocks on Aug 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’d like to see a list of all his dirty plays side by side with those of Gordie Howe, Mark Messier, Scott Stevens, etc.
I can understand Boston fans being upset about the Savard hit but it wasn’t ilegal then. Scott Stevens is still a highlight reel of punishing hits are today they are infractions.
I think Matt is doing a good job of not telling the press where to go and what to do to themselves when they get there. Once he gets a clear picture of what is an infraction, he will break the rules when it is strategic for the team and not on a whim or accidentally.
I would have to agree. Cooke’s rap sheet is a mile long, but it’s got to be frustrating for him to basically get a season ending suspension (and one of the longer ones in NHL history) when other guys are getting 0, 1, 2 games for similar hits. Cooke has no room to say anything, so he hasn’t, but that’s sort of mystifying. Hopefully Shanahan will be a more reasonable dealer of justice than Campbell was.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
If Cooke is truly serious about this, I think you might see him not really hit anybody as he tries to adjust his game. Thus I voted for the not a smooth ride option.
I don’t know if Cooke can do that and stay in the lineup. Look at Bylsma’s gameplan- he demands that wingers do a lot of forechecking, a lot of tough work in the corners. If Cooke’s not physical, he’s not helping the team. If Cooke’s playing dirty, he’s not helping the team.
It’s all about walking the fine line of physical and spirited but still respectful and not dangerous.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
OT but can we...
briefly talk about Ballards chop, I mean, hip checks? Remember the one he did on Geno? If he wants to learn how to hip check properly, he can easily give Rob Blake a call.
Then again, you don’t have to worry about concussions when someone takes out your knees and you snap your neck…sooo…
Anyway, it’s only a matter of time before Cooke slips up and that’s the truth.
I would have to go back and watch the video (which I can’t do right now) but did Ballard really low-bridge Malkin? It might have been questionable, but from memory I don’t think it was bad. Just a nasty looking spill that sent Geno flying through the air.
And it didn’t damage Malkin -I can’t remember Ballard ever causing an injury off the top of my head- so I don’t think he’s really a habitual low hitter. Bodies and suspensions would have piled up by now. (Not to mention beatings)
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the fact that he gets so low to the oppopent that he ends up taking out his knees, that is not a hip check. He’s got Malkin with his “hip check” a couple of times but the one I am referring to is the one where Sid fights Ballard after it.
I don’t think it is called against him a lot because it is hard to judge and there are other issues to worry about but if I was skating down the ice and someone took out my knees..I’d be pissed. Some of them are nice but then again some of them are straight chop shots.
by Geno McFleury on Aug 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How many knees has Ballard taken out? The art of the hip check is dying and, again from memory, I don’t know that he criminally low-bridged Malkin or anyone else.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
by Hooks Orpik on Aug 24, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t remember Ballard ever causing an injury off the top of my head
It may be crossed out, but tell that to Tomas Vokoun. haha
by The Malk-Man on Aug 24, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I call for Cooke’s head as frequently as anyone for the hits that he has to know are dangerous (the first, second, third you can make an excuse for, but by the time you get to chronic suspensions, he just has to know better). At the same time, I can completely separate that from him being a caring, selfless human being outside the rink. Sean Avery is the same way. I despise him as a hockey player, but I absolutely respect his efforts to help LGBT hockey players gain the respect of their peers. Just mind-boggling that they do what they do on the ice, but I think it’s rare to find NHL players who really are low-quality human beings outside of the rink.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
Cooke
Matt Cooke will never change his dirty game
Since there’s a few Caps fans lingering, courtesy of a link from Japers (thanks), I found this quote interesting in my research. Couldn’t work it into the article, but I present it without comment…Head coach’s comments after a controversial Cooke kneeing penalty that resulted in a major penalty, 10 minute misconduct and possible suspension..
“Look at Matt Cooke’s penalty. That guy (ed. note: that got hit) didn’t miss a shift…..He got carried off like he was going to get his knee amputated and then after the five-minute penalty, he was back on there. It’s anger right now, and you have to watch what you say. We’re angry that we lost a game we thought we should have won.
Was that Dan Bylsma talking about the post-game from when Cooke hit Ovechkin?
Nope, it was Caps coach Bruce Boudreau March 2008 when Cooke collided with Bobby Allen.
Ok, present with one comment- it’s easy for anyone to take when dirt is done for your own team, and just as easy to deride such behavior when it happens against your guy. Hopefully the challenge is a sea change amongst all NHL teams to eliminate the cheap shot artists once and for all.
Given some of the playoff incidents (Torres on Seabrook, anyone) I don’t know how much confidence there should be in the league. Might be up to the teams, but given that guys like Torres, Cooke and Gillies don’t find themselves without NHL contracts for long, it seems the teams will be just as quick to employ these guys. (And certainly the Pens aren’t without blood on their hands).
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
Torres On Seabrook
was fine, imo. Gotta keep your head up and on a swivel, ESPECIALLY behind the net. No, he didn’t play the puck, but he damn well intended to and Torres was already on his way… so once again, you gotta KEEP YOUR HEAD UP. The #1 rule that you are taught when growing up playing this game….
I want to protect players, but we can’t coddle them to the point where they decide they don’t have to protect THEMSELVES. If Seabrook thinks its OK to swing around the back of the net while looking behind you and not paying attention to a possible (see: likely) hit, then he deserves to get rocked.
by LastSonOfKrypton on Aug 24, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You could be right there. I was talking more towards don’t give a guy coming off a 4 game suspension the benefit of the doubt in his first game back. That hit was a borderline “Colby Armstrong Special” which is supposed to be gone.
I’m all for keeping the physicality and not coddling players, but we still saw a goon concuss a top-pair defenseman and take him out for nearly 3 games.
Again from my point above about seeing what we want and defending/accusing based off of the jersey colors involved….If that was Micheal Haley on Kris Letang in the same exact play, I’m thinking more Pens fans would have had a problem with it.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
Didn’t Torres target the head? Granted it wasn’t against the rules at the time, but that still makes it a dirty play, in my mind. At least they’ve moved to protect the players from such hits.
And for the record I agree players need to protect themselves and keep their heads up. But there’s no need to target the head, you have a huge target just below.
I don’t think I was on Japer’s at the time but I do remember screaming at the TV on that one too. I think the knee on knee stuff (Ovechkin has a couple against Gonch and Tim Gleason if I recall) is less intentional than the head contact and elbows, but I don’t have a problem with 2 game suspensions for the first incident and increasing after that. It’s one of those things you have to reinforce to the guys that “when it’s close like that, don’t stick your leg out hoping to slow him down because you might end his career.”
It’s like teaching kids not to check from behind. (Most of them) are not out to kill the other guy, it’s just a reaction when he turns at the last second and they don’t pull up. Now similar to what LastSonOfKrypton says above, you have to train the “victims” not to forget to defend themselves, too,
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the knee on knee stuff … is less intentional than the head contact and elbows
I don’t agree.
There are hits to the head that are (at least somewhat) intentional, and hits to the head that are accidental/“incidental”, and the same can be said for the knee-on-knee action.
For hits to the head the issue is often whether the head was “targeted” — which has been the problem with some of Cooke’s hits. The Steckel hit on Crosby, whether an intentional hit or not, didn’t have the same flavour.
When it comes to knee-on-knee action, sometimes it’s a bit easier to hide the intent, imo. I doubt very much that Ovi specifically intended to send Gonch flying and writhing in the air, but it’s not just about that. It’s about whether knee-to-knee connection was intended. There are most certainly times when a replay shows a player actually shifting themselves into a position that allows them to connect with the other player’s knee — in a way that is difficult to justify as completely unintentional.
Putting aside problematic issues of judging intent on a hit-by-hit basis, perhaps the difference is just that it is more difficult to get yourself into a position to deliver a knee-on-knee hit than a head shot.
Jagr? I don't even know 'er.
See I think the majority of the “highlight-reel” knee-on-knee hits are when the checker is beat/out of position and throws the leg out as a last attempt. We may disagree about the intent just from the examples we picked — for example, I firmly believe Ovechkin would prefer to get a solid body check than line up for the knee contact every time.
If we’re just talking about Cooke, I didn’t like his knee-on-knee on Ovechkin last year that went unpunished, but then his hit on Tyutin the next game and his hit on McDonagh were more blatantly attempts to injure/lack of respect for an opponent to me.
J.P.: You might be the king of all geeks here…
by Alz Well That Ends Well on Aug 24, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s going to have trouble. He’s spent years doing what coaches tell him which is to follow through on contact & finish his checks. He earned his contract extension with us & his success as an NHL player playing that same abrasive style. You don’t just switch that part of your brain off. That kinda muscle memory is going to take YEARS to deal with.
I root for the guy & all but this would be hard to move past.
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