Penguins Breakout Player of 2011-12
It's not news that the Penguins are a very veteran team, in terms of NHL experience. Marc-Andre Fleury is a franchise goalie, Brent Johnson is an established and entrenched backup. The top four D is littered with pros- Brooks Orpik, Kris Letang, Zbynek Michalek and Paul Martin. Up front with Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Staal, James Neal, Chris Kunitz, Tyler Kennedy, Matt Cooke and company, there are plenty of tried and true NHL'ers.
Which makes looking for the next breakout start pretty tough. Mark Letestu has shown his worth and even guys like Ben Lovejoy and Dustin Jeffrey have played in the NHL at times for a few years.
Still Pittsburgh has a few candidates for young players who will have the chance to establish themselves and have breakout years. It has to be taken in context- none of these guys are going to be up for an end of season NHL award, so take it with a grain of salt. But who can take the next step to establish themself as a solid pro?
Eric Tangradi is an obvious choice. He's admitted he's up to 233 pounds and has the experience and shape to take the next step. If Crosby can not start the year, there's also one more roster spot available that a guy like Tangradi can use to make the NHL team out of camp.
Though still green, Tangradi has shown brief flashes in the NHL that he can use his size and ability to be a contributer. But does he have the consistency? Will he be able to get the opportunity right off the bat? That seems to be the biggest question.
Tangradi might have an ace up his sleeve- in losing Mike Rupp to free agency and signing Steve Sullivan, the Pens will be smaller up front. And Dan Bylsma, like all hockey coaches, love size and players who know how to use it. Tangradi also showed chemistry last pre-season with Evgeni Malkin. Can those two re-establish that connection once the calendar pases September?
Even then, Tangradi could slot into a 3rd liner well- without the pressures for point production and be able to work on the power play in front of the net. Chris Kunitz tries to screen the goalie, but Tangradi has more size and better hands and touch for goal scoring.
Dustin Jeffrey has turned from a 6th round pick into an NHL career before ACL surgery last March. Though he has played in the NHL for parts of three seasons and has the opportunity to stick in the show.
Jeffrey's only question mark is his knee. Though he's said he will be ready to start training camp, it's important to remember he'll be only six months off a very serious surgery. There have been many advances in medical technology, many athletes have said it takes 12-18 months to "feel like myself" when they have such a procedure.
Still, Jeffrey earned the trust of Dan Bylsma in his play, and has shown he can fit in at the NHL. The injury question looms, but DJ has done enough to where the team basically considers him an NHL player. Plus, he's waiver eligible now. They can probably getting away with starting him in the minors for a brief rehab stint, but that's only a band-aid. More than most of our breakout choices, Jeffrey probably figures to get the most NHL time right off the bat, if his knee holds up.
SIMON DESPRES
He doesn't even have a SB Nation profile yet, which shows you how far Simon Despres has to climb. His pedigree to this point is off the charts for a 20 year old defenseman: former first round pick, final cut in NHL camp last year, Team Canada WJC member, and the alternate captain and #1 defenseman on the Memorial Cup winning St. John Sea Dogs.
Despres is a smooth operator, he skates extremely well for a 6'4 player, he can move the puck, he can shoot, he has good defensive awareness in his own end with his stick and positioning.
The knocks on Despres have been his decision making, physiciality and his experience. All of these issues can be naturally addressed in the AHL, where Despres is almost certainly going to start his season. The Penguins have seven NHL defensemen (counting Matt Niskanen, Ben Lovejoy and Deryk Engelland) and also some veterans with NHL experience in Boris Valabik and Alexandre Picard. Not to mention prospects like Brian Strait and Robert Bortuzzo, both in their third pro seasons and both with legitimate NHL futures.
Despres has a tall hill to climb, but if his performance continues to ascend like it has in previous years, it'll be hard to keep him in the minors for long. The Penguins have a history of keeping young, stud defensemen in the AHL longer than they deserved to be there (Brooks Orpik, Ryan Whitney, Kris Letang and Alex Goligoski). And all the players that came before Despres had the advantage of playing on less than stellar defensive units.
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All this detail, now it's time to vote and discuss. Who has the best chance of being the Pens breakout player for the 2011-12 season?
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Had to go with DJ. I think Tangradi and Despres both have a little more potential than Jeffrey, but Jeffrey is pretty much guaranteed a spot on the team next year once he’s fully healed.
I think Despres has at least one more year in the minors before the Pens will bring him up – maybe we’ll see him for 7 games this year? And boy, I am hoping Tangradi makes the team, but we will just have to wait and see.
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
Yeah I think a handful of games for Despres is the most likely scenario.
I too hope that Tangradi can stick. If he does, I think he’s the breakout player. But Jeffrey’s a lot more likely to make some sort of impact.
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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
In terms of talent level the ceiling is much higher for Tangradi and Despres but DJ seems to be the most consistent one. He will never be the face of the franchise type of player, hell he might not even be a top 6 fwd, but he will always give you that consistent production. That is why I believe he will be the breakout player this year. Tangradi and Despres both should get very good looks at making the roster but I believe they will at least start the year in the AHL.
by Crosby4Prez on Aug 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I don’t think Tangradi has a “much higher” ceiling than DJ. I see Tangradi at full potential to be a 25 – 30 goal 25 – 30 assist guy. I can see DJ coming very close to those numbers in a scoring role.
They're definitely different types of players.
I see DJ as more of a 15-20 goal scorer at most. He’s got good speed, and decent hands, but I see think he’s more likely to thrive in a 3rd-line role. He can also kill penalties, which is a valuable skill.
Tangradi’s a slower, power-based player. He’s got better hands (in my opinion), hits hard, and plays a simple game. Good net-front presence, which the Pens haven’t really had since Ryan Malone. I think his ceiling is closer to 25 goals / 25-30 assists.
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
DJ has a better shot IMO but Tangradi has “soft” hands and reach in front of the net. I’ve seen him do Sid/Malone like things in front of the net all the way back in his OHL days. Jeffrey has a nice accurate shot that can make him a consistent 20 goal scorer even with limited ice time and he’s shown PP potential as well.
by Geno McFleury on Aug 26, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I might have not chosen the right words there. Don’t get me wrong I really like DJ. He always plays hard and has a knack to be in the right place at the right time. But as for my post above I can see Tangradi as a top 6 fwd, but I can’t see DJ as a legit top 6 guy. I do have to say with all the hype around Tangradi last year, I was seriously disappointed in his play pretty much every time he got on the ice. I think with a little more focus he can easily become a top 6 Malone type fwd.
I went with Jeffrey.
Jeffrey’s still got a ways to go as well, but you could see him showing flashes of his offensive potential as last season progressed. Further, while Crosby is out, yes there is an extra roster spot open… but that’s at center, allowing Jeffrey to have maybe a little more wiggle room and versatility in the lineup.
Tangradi needs to make a big step in the right direction this year, but I already see Jeffrey’s game acclimating to the NHL. I think he can do a job.
by Stephen Catanese on Aug 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
ACL surgery doesn’t scare Steve Cat.
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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't scare Dustin Jeffrey either. I hope.
Or Evgeni Malkin. Transition back to ice sports is much, much more seamless than the sport court junk I play.
by Stephen Catanese on Aug 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Had to go with Jeffrey only because of his hockey IQ, experience and consistency. Tangradi DOES have a higher ceiling since his potential is a top-6 forward, whereas, Jeffrey will most likely be a solid 3rd liner with the ability to jump into the top-6 and be comfortable.
A little OT but…
I (like most probably) want to see the 3 centre equation and if not don’t put Geno on the wing! Put Staal on the wing, I don’t care if Malkins FO% isn’t good, he’s not that great when he’s not comfortable and Staal has proven that he can play wing.
I’ve been thinking a lot about how I would set up the forward lines and I think I’m comfortable with this lineup:
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Neal-Malkin-Tangradi (Sullivan)
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Letestu (Jeffrey)-Adams-Asham
I had a hard time keeping Duper in the top-6 but I believe in cycling a BALANCED top 9 and keeping what has worked in the past, and the Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis has worked and so has the Cooke-Staal-Kennedy. Tangradi can play RW and if he is inconsistent or the matchup suites Sullivan better he can be dressed and play his natural position and it also keeps Neal at his. The 4th line is versatile because Adams, Letestu and Jeffrey can play any of the positions.
Looking pretty good isn't it?
I’d demote Dupuis to 4th line, bump Neal to RW w / SId and Kunitz, have Sullivan on the second line, and I’d also have Staal as 2C. So the lines would be:
Kunitz-Crosby-Neal
Staal-Malkin-Sullivan
Cooke-Letestu-Kennedy
Asham- Adams/Jeffrey-Dupuis
(McIntyre)
Tangradi/Vitale/Johnson waiting in WB/S…
Then on D:
Letang-Orpik
Michalek-Martin
Niskanen-Lovejoy/Engelland
Despres waiting in WB/S…
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
Even if Sid can't start the season, the lines aren't too bad:
Kunitz-Malkin-Neal
Kennedy-Staal-Sullivan
Cooke-Letestu-Dupuis
Asham-Adams-Jeffrey/Vitale
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
Those aren’t bad lineups, and about my train of thought too. From your first pair, I really don’t think that HCDB would relegate Dupuis to the 3rd line. Dupes is too reliable, too steady, he’s going to get some decent ice-time, especially from the coach that likes him.
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And by 3rd I meant 4th. (Brain has already checked out for the water-soaked weekend).
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You’re probably right. Didn’t Dupes play on the fourth line mostly when the Pens won the cup though? In any case, once the season starts, the lines will get all jumbled around as HCDB tries to find some chemistry / guys get injured etc.
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
I think without Sid, I would rather see Sullivan on the top line with Malkin and Neal and bump Kunitz down with Staal and Kennedy, as those 3 have some good chemistry together. That would also provide Geno with one physical winger and one skilled winger. Reminds me of the Malone/Malkin/Sykora line that worked so well a few years ago.
As far as the bottom 6, with the exception of Cooke on the 3rd line and Adams on the 4th, any of those players are interchangeable. However, if DJ starts off the season in WBS, I’d like to see them try a suggestion brought up before. Throw Engelland on the 4th line to see how that might work out, in case we need the extra protection later in the season.
I really wish Lovejoy would get an automatic start that he deserves and have Niskanen/Engelland fight for 6D. Of the three Lovejoy is by far the most dependable in the D-Zone and has easily been better than Niskanen production wise. I really don’t know why Pens management is keeping Lovejoy from playing more consistently.
Lovejoy played in each of the last 22 of the team’s regular season games and all 7 of the team’s playoff games. There were a few injuries (Orpik and Martin missed some time) that aided Lovejoy’s playing time, but the team definitely sees him as a top 6 guy. Not sure where the perception comes from that he’s not.
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Niskanen hardly counts, because Bylsma had no control over his playing time while in Dallas.
Engelland played more games than Lovejoy (63 to 47) largely because Engelland is willing to fight and is gritty. Lovejoy, however, is bigger (6’2", 215 vs. 6’2", 202), is better offensively (20 points in 61 games vs. 12 in 72), and FWIW has a better /- than Engelland by a fair margin (19 career vs. -7, +11 last year vs. -5). Not to mention, half the time Engelland looks like he’s forgotten how to skate.
I think the biggest knock on Lovejoy and Niskanen both is lack of grit. In the Tampa Bay series, it seemed like they got abused in front of the net when they were both on the ice together.
I was very impressed by Lovejoy last season, though, especially his offense. For some reason, I thought of him as more of a defensive defenseman (a la Orpik), but he showed some solid skill in the offensive zone. Niskanen and Lovejoy are both more complete players than Engo, but paired together, you’re missing someone who can clear the front of the net…
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
More like a Scuderi, but yeah. That’s exactly it. To use Lovejoy, you have to pair him with a more physical guy. On this team, that means either he doesn’t play, which seems foolish, or you have to put him on the second pairing and play the third pairing more to compensate. I think I like that choice better, but that’d be a huge target for criticism.
I'm having trouble deciding how to vote!
If I were putting money down I wouldn’t want to bet on Tangradi, because so far he hasn’t managed to live up to what he seems capable of. I hope this is the year for him to make a role for himself in the NHL, but I just don’t know if he will actually make it happen.
Jeffrey, obviously, has the knee issues to overcome. But I also kind of think he has already “broken out” — as is evidenced by Shero’s willingness to give him a one-way contract (after this season). Last year he played enough games for us to see him in real action at the NHL level, and he fared quite well, imo. Maybe it’s the injury that’s making us forget, or maybe he was overshadowed a bit by the emergence of Letestu, but I think Jeffrey has already sort of kind of had his coming out party.
Then again, he’s a smart player, and that is definitely going to help him continue to improve as he gains more experience with the big boys.
And then there’s Despres. Due to our depth at defense plus him being a new arrival, I think you’re right and he’s going to spend much of his time at the AHL level. That said, I fully expect him to get the hang of AHL hockey quickly, and to earn himself call-ups when they are available. I also hope he makes it really, really difficult for them to send him down, even though they will probably have to. I’m excited about what he will eventually bring to the NHL, but this just might not be the year he gets his real chance.
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I pretty much agree. I voted for Jeffery but even if he has a good year, I won’t see him as having broken out. To me he’s earned the right to not be on this list of players who have a lot to prove. Certainly he has expectations to live up to, but he’s a lot less of a question mark headed into the season than Tangradi or Despres. Tangradi’s been a bit underwhelming so far, and Despres will be fine, but it takes defensemen longer to develop to an NHL level. I kind of disagree with the statement in the post that says that the Pens kept Letang in WBS longer than he deserved. I think he spent the right amount of time down there, and we’re seeing the payoff in his play now.
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The point I making was Letang deserved to break camp in 2007-08 with the NHL team, but it was a lot easier for the Pens to keep vets like Darryl Sydor and Mark Eaton and send Letang down.
Letang only played 10 games in the AHL, and by that time it was pretty clear he was way above AHL level and belonged in the NHL.
For his part, Despres is a lot less polished now than Letang was back then. Letang got 7 NHL games in 06-07, and the strengths of his game (skating, puck control) were already on point. Despres’ skill set is different, and at this point of his development he has a LOT more to gain in the AHL to learn the pro game that Letang needed.
Letang spent a lot less time in the minors than guys like Whitney and Orpik did, but he also was more advanced at his age than those two. Plus Despres, as well.
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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 27, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Despres is blocked this year and for the forseeable future.
The top 4 are signed through the 2013-2014 season. Engo and Lovejoy both got extended and have 3 and 2 years left respectively. So I think Despres will spend most of the year in the A. If he plays well enough, the only way for him to come up would be if Shero makes a trade. I think Shero will have to make a move probably by the end of next season at the latest to accomodate Despres.
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by StripesForLife on Aug 28, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I went with ET, primarily because of Jeffrey’s injury. I really like DJ as a player and see him as a quality 3rd-line center who can contribute respectable offensive totals. Neither are a given by any stretch, but if Tangradi can make the team and perform, he couldn’t ask for a better situation. PP time is there for the “net-front presence” role and he certainly has the skill set to do it.
I know alot of Pensbughers like Jeffrey , but I like Tangradi, even if he is the obvious choice. I believe he has a higher impact potential than Jeffrey. I’m thinking Kevin Stevens, but with the late 2000’s scoring standards not early 90’s. I really hope both flourish this season though.
Is it October yet?
I think of him more as a Ryan Malone 2.0 myself, but maybe that’s just cause I’m a young gun.
I agree with you, how about both Jeffrey and ET have breakout years?
"90% of the game is physical. The other half is mental." - Yogi Berra
Out on a limb, but... Nick Johnson anyone?
I agree with your excellent run-down, Hooks. However, if the definition of “breakout” is “far exceeded expectations,” I’d lay money on Nick Johnson. He had 40 pts. in 48 games last season in WBS, and absent the injury could’ve proven himself worthy in Pittsburgh of at least a third-line role. With Kennedy potentially moving up to one of the top 2 lines, I think Johnson’s got a good shot at the third line.
You know my preference for finding right-handed wingers to play with all of the lefty pivots on this team, and that’s what Johnson is. Tangradi – for his talent ceiling – doesn’t seem to be able to play RW, Johnson’s natural position and the greatest roster need right now.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Johnson score 12 goals/25 points over 50 games in a Pittsburgh uniform next season, and I’d consider that a breakout.
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addendum:
And if we’re talking about someone who may wind up in Pittsburgh at some point despite not even being on the radar, I’ll go with Paul Thompson. He’s got the potential to score 30 goals in WBS over the season, and at his age (22), with four solid years at UNH behind him, there’s not much more grooming needed. Right-handed sniper with size. Just what the doctor ordered.
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Wow you really went off the board with that selection! I don’t know much about him to be honest, but automatic respect for going in an original direction with your thoughts.
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I think 30 goals is a little strong, but Thompson is definitely a guy to keep an eye on. He’s got skill, he’s got wheels. How he adapts to the pro game is still a question mark, and obviously doc falls on the high end of faith for him.
The Baby Pens tend to give the vets most of the top line jobs, because they’re trying to win games too. I expect Jason Williams, Ryan Craig and Colin MacDonald to be the top dogs down there. Thompson will have to fight guys like Gibbons, Veilleux, Petersen, Street, Lerg, Vitale and maybe Nick Johnson or Eric Tangradi for to minutes and power play time. Most of those guys are a lot more established in the pro ranks than PT will be.
But things change quickly in the AHL, with NHL injuries and call-ups, plus injuries of their own. If Thompson shows flashes of ability and produces early to earn the coaches trust, he’ll get more ice. And the more he earns and capatilizes, the more he’ll continue to get.
All things said, Thompson’s a guy to watch. I’d take the under on 30 goals, but I think he’ll definitely get the chance to make a name for himself, if he earns it.
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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 27, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted Tangradi, but really only because of Jeffrey’s knee. The general rule of thumb is that you can find this year’s breakout players by looking at last year’s playoffs, assuming the player is less than, say, 26 years old. Unfortunately, that doesn’t work with the Pens this year because these three players combined for zero points in one game in the playoffs, and nobody else really had anything to write home about, either.
But, but, but Tangradi screened the goalie for the only PP goal!
You’re largely right though, there’s not that many choices. I could see a guy like Niskanen possibly doing better than the choices here- after all Nisky (if healthy) will definitely be in the NHL lineup on opening night and he’s got a ton of experience. And now, hopefully, he’s more comfortable in Bylsma’s system, more situated in his role and teammates and can show why he was a 1st round pick.
In the same vein, Ben Lovejoy might even be the guy who establishes himself the most this season. He’ll definitely get the chance if he plays well, and he’s showed a lot of improvement lately (a rough playoff beside).
But Lovejoy and Niskanen aren’t really true prospects and their ceiling has been realized a lot more compared to guys like Tangradi, DJ and Despres. Thus, no love for the poll. Dem da breaks.
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by Hooks Orpik on Aug 27, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark Letestu was realllyyyyyyy under rated last year, he could put up 35-40 points (Dupuis range)
But if Jeffrey is healthy and makes all the right moves his ceiling is really high…I can’t say how many points I think he would get but he was exciting last year – so he is my choice. I admire Tangradi but I just don’t know where he could stick except the bottom 6 and occasional PP time.
A lot of teams would love to have this problem though, so I am not complaining!
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Whole lot of prior comments, I just want to add my bit here:
1. Tangradi – this is a make or break year for him. If he has not stuck with the big club by December and started to have an impact in more of a top 6 power forward role, he is trade bait. I love the guy but I would bet against him being in the Penguins organization at any level in March. He just has never taken that step and I don’t think he will.
2. Jeffrey is the guy that can breakout this year. he made the most of his opportunity last year and stuck. I expect him to be on the Pens’ NHL roster after camp. I expect Shero to tell him to get a place and get ready for a full season with the big club. Only a lack of production or re- injury to the knee can hurt him. However he has done what the big dog has not thus far. He has had a measurable impact at the NHL Level. I can see him starting the season ad the 2-line center with Geno on 1.
3. Despres starts the season in WBS short of a miraculous camp. He might get a shot later in the season, especially if GMRS can get rid of Niskanen. Next year will be the year to look for the Sea Dog to break out.






















