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Chris Kunitz is the most underrated Pittsburgh Penguin

Chris Kunitz's resume reads as one of a consummate teammate.

Kunitz won a Stanley Cup with the Anaheim Ducks in 2007 and the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2009. He spent much of the 2010 season skating alongside Sidney Crosby as he won a share of the Rocket Richard trophy. Currently, he flanks Evgeni Malkin while the Russian playmaker leads the NHL in scoring, acting as a key cog in an efficient, effective machine.

But his value is found even more-so when watching him in action, and reading beyond the most highly celebrated of numbers.

When Kunitz is not scoring, he's using his physicality with great affect, leading all Penguins forwards in hits with 105. And when he's not hitting, he's causing havoc all around the offensive zone.

As the Pittsburgh-Tribune Review's Chris Harlan wrote earlier this week:

Ask Evgeni Malkin or James Neal, and they'll say without hesitation that teammate Chris Kunitz is always getting in the way.

For instance, when Malkin was making a quick pass and Neal was scoring the game-tying goal Sunday, Kunitz was standing in the way.

And earlier that game, when Kris Letang was blasting a 60-foot goal from the blue line, Kunitz was there in the way.

Both times the Penguins forward was skating in front of Washington's net, blocking the view of Capitals goalie Michal Neuvirth. Kunitz didn't earn an assist on either goal, but neither happened without his subtle help.

Or not-so-subtle help, if you were Neuvirth trying to see around him.

"Kunitz may not be the flashiest first-line player in the league, but there's speed, there's grit, and there's a net-front presence," Penguins coach Dan Bylsma said. "There's a lot to his game that maybe doesn't get on the scoresheet. (Against the Capitals), he did some of his best work in and around the net."

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"His screen takes the vision away from the goalie just for a split-second and I get a chance to shoot it," said Neal, whose goal with 12:54 left helped extend the team's winning streak to six entering tonight's game in St. Louis. "We're playing as a line. Kuny does those things that go unnoticed every night."

Kunitz's work on two of the Penguins' goals against the Capitals is evidenced in the following clip:

On Letang's goal it's fairly simple to see Kuntiz doggedly screening Neuvirth. Nothing against Letang's capable shot from the point, but an NHL goaltender makes that save if he can see the puck.

The second goal is far more subtle. Pay attention to Kunitz lined up to the right of the faceoff circle, with Malkin taking the draw. Neal is lined up behind to take a shot should Malkin win the draw cleanly, which he does. Immediately after the drop of the puck, Kunitz skates directly into the circle, briefly obstructing the path of a potential Capital shot-blocker and simultaneously creating a screen.

Neal has time and space to shoot, and blasts a one-timed shot past Neuvirth.

Kunitz doesn't register a point on either play.

As Neal said:

"He's so hard to play against, so he opens up a lot of space for myself and Geno. Sometimes that goes unnoticed."

While his 14 goals and 18 assists account for the third highest point total on the Penguins' roster, it is this type of havoc Kunitz reeks against opposition that often goes unaccounted for, while he falls in the considerable shadows of linemates Malkin and Neal.

With the decisiveness of a Republican primary, Kunitz earned 26 percent of our popular vote and is PensBurgh's most-underrated Penguin at the midway point of the season.

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Voting was close across the eight-nominee board, with Paul Martin and Richard Park accounting for the lowest vote totals at 7 percent a piece. But after day or so, Kunitz began to pull away from the pack, nearly doubling the vote count of second place finisher Matt Niskanen.

Kunitz has historically faced injury problems, and has not played more than 72 games in a season since 2007-08, when he was still an Anaheim Duck. Last season, he only featured in 66 games for the Penguins, an increase over the 50 he played in 2009-10. Currently, he's one of only six Penguins to have dressed for all 49 games this season.

When he's healthy, he does a job, and a very important one at that. While it may go unnoticed to a portion of the Penguins' fanbase, his teammates, coaches and over a quarter of Pensburgh voters can see, and value, Chris Kuntiz' worth.

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Great writeup. That little interference on the second goal was one I didn’t even notice during the game. Awesome eyes on that one.

by OSU34 on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

He is making $4 million this year, while I agree he is a valuable piece, I can’t say I completely agree with the underrated assessment.
Additionally, I can’t remember him coming up big on any occasion in any of the last 3 playoff runs.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Paychecks = rating?

Kunitz flies under the radar (especially with Malkin/Neal on his line) and like many point out- the work Ck14 does opens up a lot of room and he wins a lot of puck battles for his admittedly more skilled linemates.

And look at about any team and you’ll see a contract that Kunitz I think compares to. His $3.725 million is a fair cap hit for a legit first line winger who’ll score 50-60 points a year and play as physical as Kunitz can.

Pensburgh

"You come at the King, you best not miss."

by Hooks Orpik on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He was not 100 percent, last season, at playoff time. Right now he is the most underrated.

The Hockey Dr.

by Outcast on Jan 26, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Nobody is 100 percent at playoff time

If I remember correctly (I could be mistaken), he did not score a single goal in the 24 playoff games in 09.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kunitz had 1 Goal and 13 assists coming in 3rd on the team with Assists during the play offs ahead of Gonchar.

Meaning he probably contributed to 13 Crosby or Guerin Goals.

by STAALKINEAL on Jan 26, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Over an 82 game season, those numbers would translate to 48 points, which in fact is Kunitz’s exact point average over the last 5 years.
Doesn’t seem like much when you compare to other guys making the same money, like Giroux, Hartnell, Horton, Selanne,Boyes, Morrow,Lucic, McDonald, Doan, St. Louis.
Just flip through Capgeek.com, these guys making the same money and putting up bigger numbers.
Oh, and they don’t play with Sid and Geno every night.
I like Kunitz, well I like every guy on the team, I’m just saying his pay does not translate to underrated.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 26, 2012 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So first you argue that his impact on the cup winning team was negilible, then when someone proves you wrong you adjust the argument to say “Yeah, but take those numbers and spread them across a season and they’re not good! I win! Haha!”

by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 26, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I stated that I believed he had under performed in those playoffs.
When I was told his assist total was 3rd on the team, which sounds like a good number, I simply used the full season projection to show that those numbers were still merely average.
The fact is, if you look at the statistics of the players in his pay range, he is much closer to the lower end of that spectrum.
Again, I like Kunitz, and what he brings to the rink is valuable, but he is still way overpaid for his production.
And lastly, I am not trying to win anything, just stating my opinion on the subject.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 26, 2012 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So...

what would be a proper cap hit for Kunitz?

by King Oskar on Jan 26, 2012 9:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Went to NHL.com, grabbed 15 random names of players who scored 48-50 points last year (over the past 5 years Kunitz has averaged 48 points per year, or good for about 105th in the NHL)
Here are their salaries for this year:
Hartnell- 4.2 mil
Weiss- 3.1
Burrows- 2
Callahan 2.3
Hornqvist- 3.085
Vrbata-3
Little- 2.385
Laich-4.5
Brassard-3.2
Smyth-6.25
Cleary- 2.8
McDonald-4.7
Bourque- 3.35
Jokinen-3
Berglund- 2.1
As I said, there are plenty of guys putting up the same numbers for considerably less money. Just from a quick glance you can see he is near the top of that salary list.
Yes, I agree, he does the dirty things that help Geno and Neal be great, but by the same token I would expect better numbers from someone always playing on a line with All Stars.
And again, I like Kunitz, just in my opinion he can not be considered “underrated” when he is being overpaid.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 27, 2012 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Comparing UFA and RFA contracts...

…doesn’t really work when trying to assess a player’s value on the open market. The following players were all RFAs when they signed their most recent deal, reducing their leverage and lowering the amount they were able to earn.

Weiss
Callahan
Hornqvist
Brassard
Little
Brassard (only scored 47, but whatever)
Berglund

I guarantee, if Ville Leino can get 4.5 per year for six years and Joel Ward can get 3 million, most of those guys would be worth more on the open market.

Sidney Crosby made 850,000 in 07-08, but that doesn’t mean he should’ve been compared to guys like Mike Sillinger, Yanic Perreault or Adam Hall.

The other ones who were UFAs are a mix of superior, inferior, equal and some who improved after being signed.

- Burrows had recorded one season over 50 points when he signed his extension. His ends up being a deal when you consider how well he’s meshed with the Sedins.
- Laich is paid more.
- Smyth is paid a laughable amount more.
- Jokinen signed his contract after his two-way play considerably diminished. He’s improved over the last season.
- Cleary had a career-high last year (46 points, not 48-50), making it more of a blip in the radar than a trend.
- Andy McDonald’s a bargain at that price… if he’s ever able to play again.
- Bourque’s contract is pretty good.
- Vrbata’s is a sweet little contract too, especially considering when they signed him in the summer.
- Hartnell was young when he signed his six-year deal, but had not scored 50 points in a season yet.

I was a little leery about Kuntiz’s contract at first, but compared to how the market is moving and the gradually expanding cap, it’s really a decent deal, especially when you consider he took a pay cut.

I do agree that he needs to score more goals in the playoffs, but he always picks his hitting up in the post season (wonder if this hinders his output?) and ends up being able to contribute even if he’s not producing.

by Stephen Catanese on Jan 27, 2012 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You didn't answer my question.

I’m not trying to troll you. What would you pay Kunitz?

Your self-selected random sample’s average salary is $3.33M. And that’s not counting Ryan Callahan’s current contract which has a cap hit of $4.275M (your figure was 10-11 salary), which pushes the average to almost $3.5M.

by King Oskar on Jan 27, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not trying to troll you. What would you pay Kunitz?

I’m comfortable with the $3.725 that Shero re-upped him for.

You won’t find many players who can play on the top line and put up 50-60 points a year, can play net-front on the PP, open up room in the middle by winning puck battles along the wall and bring a veteran, Alternate Captain worthy leadership like Kunitz does. I think $3.725m per year is reasonable.

And so did Ray Shero. So take that FWIW.

Pensburgh

"You come at the King, you best not miss."

by Hooks Orpik on Jan 27, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

That is how I see it. No matter how I look at it, be it by comparable players/contracts or evaluating Kunitz on his own merits, I don’t see an overpaid player by current NHL market standards.

by King Oskar on Jan 27, 2012 6:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If the average is 3.33, he’s 400k over that.
Is 400k not overpaying? I’m not saying that we should get rid of him because he’s way overpaid, I’m only arguing that I would not at all use the term’ underrated’. If he were, I would look to see him be making LESS than most of these guys, not slightly more.
Anyways, I would think the median would be a better way to analyze it, rather than the average, which can be too easily distorted either way by one number (I think we can all agree Smyth is laughably overpaid/overrated, and he alone drags up the average another 400k or so).
I think the median comes to about $3 million.
We could all look at every contract and explain it however best suits us, which is why I just randomly grabbed 15 names.
I remember when we traded for Kunitz, we were all saying “he had 60 points in Anaheim, imagine what he will put up on a line with Sid!” He hasn’t matched that 60 yet.
Stephen,I by no means claim to be a cap expert, and from my few weeks since joining this site I can see that you are a very knowledgeable fan, so I have no problem accepting your explanation on the matter as valid. I think this is always an interesting debate, just in my opinion the numbers that I see do not translate to underrated.

by jedmiller71 on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Stephen,I by no means claim to be a cap expert, and from my few weeks since joining this site I can see that you are a very knowledgeable fan, so I have no problem accepting your explanation on the matter as valid. I think this is always an interesting debate, just in my opinion the numbers that I see do not translate to underrated.

Thank you for the compliment, and your argument isn’t unreasonable at all.

I would like to suggest that you’re maybe a little stuck on his cap number.

I mean, let’s consider that he was a $3.725 (I thought he was a 3.75 hit, but I guess I was wrong) when he came to Pittsburgh in 08-09, which he still is now.

In 08-09, the salary cap was 56.7 million
In 11-12, the salary cap is 64.3 million

So, in 08-09, Kunit’z salary ate up 6.5 percent of the Pens’ cap.
Now it eats up 5.8 percent. Or just a little over 1/20th of the Pens’ space.

This isn’t a huge percentage less, but the important part is that it is less. As the cap keeps incrementally (or significantly after the impending labor drama) moving up, he’ll eat less, and less, and less.

Kunitz got the nod on a popular vote, so I just tried to really write an ode to him based on that premise… but I quickly found out how easy it was to delve into his intangibles, the shot-blocking and screens and hitting and making space for shooters. I kind of went in with an open mind and convinced myself a good bit while I was writing.

I still walk away with issues relating to his durability, playoff goal-scoring and propensity to deliver ugly, dirty hits on occasion.

The intention really wasn’t to say that he’s flawless, but that enough fans know enough people who think he’s garbage. In reality, he isn’t. The idea was to go against popular perception and see if a greater truth could be found.

But if you have another player you think fits the case more, yeah I could buy that. I think there’s a good case for Paul Martin, even though he’s paid a good bit more than Kunitz. He gets slagged to hell everywhere, you’d think he’s in the bottom tenth of defensemen… but he’s definitely better than that.

by Stephen Catanese on Jan 27, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And remember, it could be worse.

Dainus Zubrus: $3.4 million
Ville Leino: $4.5 million
Dustin Penner: $4.25 million
Alex Tanguay $3.5 million (FOR FIVE YEARS!!!)

That’s just from a quick glance. Better contracts out there than Kunitz? Yeah. But, man, there are some stinkers too.

by Stephen Catanese on Jan 27, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying, but I respectfully disagree. In fact, I think your argument in a way adds credence to the idea that Kunitz is underrated. Especially because your focus is primarily how many points he puts up.

by King Oskar on Jan 27, 2012 6:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Disagree

Jed, In a perfect world you could average everyone`s long term stats and time of service and pay accordingly. In reality that doesn`t occur. For the time he`s spent in the league, the numbers he`s put up, the hits, blocked shots and most importantly net front presence, I think Kunitz is well worth what he`s paid. Kunitz fills a role with the team and fills it well. If he were getting Scott Gomez $$$ I`d probably think otherwise but as far as NHL salaries go he`s upper middle and offers a lot more than just the points he tallies on the score sheet. This article alone points to several scores that CK helped make happen yet didn`t tally a point on the score sheet.
Intangibles count for something too.
PS who made a great pass on what turned out to be the Game winning goal by Max Talbot in G7 vs. the Wings….

by Dutch71 on Jan 29, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

“Chris Kunitz is the most underrated Pittsburgh Penguin”

By saying this is he still the most underrated?

Pensburgh

"You come at the King, you best not miss."

by Hooks Orpik on Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yes.

(don’t assault my flawed, poll-oriented methodology)

by Stephen Catanese on Jan 26, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Well deserved

Kunitz all the way. He wasn’t even drafted, and now he has 2 Stanley cups and is a favorite linemate of guys named Geno, Neal, and Crosby.

by PDunn on Jan 26, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

if kunitz stays at that cap hit, he can stay on our team for as long as he wants, as far as i am concerned.

sidney crosby is better than me.

by katielynn906 on Jan 26, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

I'm still not convinced.

I am a Kunitz fan, and I think you’re right on with your assessment of Kunitz’s play.

HOWEVER…the fact that Kunitz is really valuable to the team and to the top line is only half the equation for determining who is “most underrated”. And I just don’t see him being derided by the media, etcetera, these days. Sure, there are a few fans who don’t see what he offers and like to complain about it, but it’s not really widespread. I’d give it to you for a previous season, but I just don’t see it this year: he’s a valuable piece of the team and while he manages to fly under the radar a lot, he doesn’t suffer the negative press (from fans and media) that a few other guys get (and that he has had in the past).

So…good write-up, but the voters got it wrong this time.

Jagr? I don't even know 'er.

by PopRocks on Jan 27, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

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