Martin and Michalek's mis-steps give the Pens a defensive dilemma
Injuries have run rampant on the Pittsburgh Penguins, but defensively they're finally at 100%. Kris Letang, with six points in his last two games, appears to have fully recovered from his concussion and Brooks Orpik, Zbnyek Michalek and Paul Martin have all shaked off in-season maladies to regain full health. Matt Niskanen, Deryk Engelland and Ben Lovejoy round out the NHL roster, with now Simon Despres, Brian Strait and Robert Bortuzzo back in the minors.
A new problem has arisen though- and that's the play of the top four. Listen to any radio show or scan any fan forum and you'll see a lot of fan ire pointed towards Michalek and particularly Martin's play so far this season. And, to be sure, neither has had a season to remember.
Michalek, after signing for $4 million in the summer of 2010, generally had an acceptable first season as a Pen. He skated well, blocked shots with fervor (149 in 73 games) and even added a surprisingly nice dimenson of offense with five goals.
Martin, for his part, registered 3 goals, 21 assists and a +9 +/- ranking while moving the puck well and generally fitting in.
That was 2010-11, this season has been different. While both highly paid blueliners fit in well enough last season, this year they've been lost. Martin's seemingly forgotten how to clear a puck from his defensive zone. Michalek's lost coverage in front of the net, both have had chances to tie up opponent's sticks or put them on their wallets and have been unable or unwilling to do so. Fan grumbling has grown into a full on mutiny, especially for Martin.
The Pens coaching staff has been patient. After all, these are two skilled and seasoned professionals. Play them through it and they'll bounce back sooner or later, right? And, to a measure, each has played better lately though both are still fighting through patches of inconsistency. Lately Dan Bylsma has seen enough and split the "shutdown pairing" of Martin and Michalek up, bumping Matt Niskanen to play with Z and Deryk Engelland to play with Martin.
Niskanen's perhaps been the wildcard. The former first round pick has played well in his year of being a Pittsburgh Penguin and has the skill set to fit well into the system. He can skate well, moves the puck decently enough and though Niskanen is a right handed shot, he's very comfortable playing on the left side of the ice (thus why he can fit in with similarly right-handed Michalek). If Michalek and Martin have been the season's biggest disappointments, it's not much of a stretch to say that Niskanen has been perhaps the team's most pleasant surprise.
It's expected to be a quiet trade deadline with not many sellers, so an outside answer may not be coming soon. Old Friend Hal Gill has been a rumored possible target, but at this point it's not likely he's going to play a top four role, and the Pens PK doesn't really need the boost another team might be willing to give up to Montreal for Gill's services.
Defensively everything tightens in the playoffs, so it'll be important for the Pens to straighten their issues out. Playing Martin and Michalek through their issues (and hoping for a turnaround) might not be the most satisfying answer, but it might be the only available option until the summer.
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In times like these, it’s important to remember that “form” is temporary and “class” is permanent. What these guys are going through is a dip in form, especially Martin. I have little doubts that they will both be fine sooner rather than later. I’d still rather have Martin – Michalek as my 3rd and 4th defensemen than Niskanen – Gill.
Michalek and Martin are the bottom 2 in PDO in our defense, so most of their ugly +/- is due to bad luck and the fact that they have faced by far the toughest competition as the shut-down pair. Niskanen conversely has had the easiest matchups thus resulting in a favorable +9.
This team is amazing, part of the reason is that #4 and #7 have helped limit opposing teams scoring and getting rid of them would be a mistake, unless you are clearly upgrading and Gill and Niskanen are not upgrades, IMO.
by AronV on Feb 15, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I still think Lovejoy is better than Niskanen/Engelland. For some reason Bylsma just doesn’t like him. At this point I’d like to see him traded so he can play fulltime for a team, instead of just sitting around doing nothing.
It’s pretty obvious. Last year, Lovejoy was clearly superior to Engelland in every way other than hitting and fighting, but Engelland got most of the playing time until Bylsma’s hand was forced late in the season. This year, Engelland has been much better and so the correct choice has been to play him, but it would be nice if Lovejoy could be rotated into the mix now and then without an injury, since every time he gets into a game he plays well.
Exactly, Engelland has been solid this season. I don’t think that means Lovejoy is in the dog house.
I think it’s because we don’t have a paid fighter on the roster. Engellend fills both a defensive spot and allows for them to not have a bench warmer brute. Look how many fights our paid fighter had before they sent him to the minors. I’d rather have someone who can play and willing to drop the gloves than a 2 minutes a game skater who serves not purpose.
by STAALKINEAL on Feb 15, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Have they really been that bad? I know Martin has always been the scapegoat, but Z too this year? Call it a sophomore slump. I think they’ll be able to bounce back.
But if we have to move someone, I’m starting to lean more towards Martin and keeping Niskanen around longer.
By the good old “eyeball test,” yes they have really been that bad. I have no solid stats to back this up.. just a feeling I get from watching Pens games. It seems that whenever a blown coverage leads to a wide open forward scoring an easy goal Martin and/or Michalek are on the ice. I’ve seen it happen with Orpik/Tanger out there too, don’t get me wrong.. it just seems to happen more frequently with Martin and Michalek.
To me.. this season Paul Martin looks like Orpik did when he was a rookie (minus the physicality, of course). Its a nightmare every time the puck is on his stick because you know a turnover is in the making. With the young Orpik you could hope he just ignores the puck and lays someone out… but Martin is supposed to be one of those elusive “puck moving defenseman.” He moves the puck alright.. but to the wrong team.
by SidgeniMalsby on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Want some stats? Big Z aka Big disappointment has 1 goal 5 assists in 36 games and is a -11. While Paul Martin is -6 and just seems to always turn the puck over in his own end. Not what you’d like out of a pair of 5 million dollar dman not even halfway done with their contracts.
by Merle1989 on Feb 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Expectations are sky high, but I’ve been disappointed by Michalek offensively. I mean, I’m not expecting him to be Bobby Orr, but Z showed a lot of good stuff on the point last year, even on the PP. This year it doesn’t even seem like he can get a shot on net.
Relative to those expectations and previous results, I think it’s fair to be disappointed in Michalek offensively without implying he needs to be leading the rush and putting up huge boxcar numbers.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s the extent of Z’s offensive prowl though. Put his on the PP at the point because he’s got a hard shot, but don’t expect him to look for the open lanes every time he gets the puck on tape.
Hard to disagree with that assessment, but there’s no doubt he showed capability last season to be better offensively and find some open lanes.
I’ve also been disappointed with some of Michalek’s exit passes. I don’t feel they’ve been as crisp or accurate as he’s capable of.
In those ways, I do think there’s valid reason to be disappointed with ZM4’s play with the puck on his stick. Obviously he’s going to be frustrating because not every player can be Kris Letang or Erik Karlsson, but the fact remains it’s been a down year for him decision making wise offensively.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 15, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
For paying him solely to be a shutdown dman who has actually had decent offensive seasons and for him to have 6 points and a 11 +/ is kinda pathetic
by Merle1989 on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if you are solely going to focus on points and +/-, sure it doesn’t look flashy. I’m not arguing that they’re both not having bad years, because we all know they’ve had better seasons before. My point is that they are still valuable and are going to much more valuable than what you would be getting back in return, well at least if you’re going to trade them when their respective values are at an all time low.
Agreed… to be honest I don’t care about Martin’s offensive stats either. All I care about is how they look in their own end in terms of both coverage and getting the puck out of the zone
by SidgeniMalsby on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Here are some more stats.
According to Hockey-Reference’s Point Shares (PS) system:
Martin last year – 0.9 OPS, 4.8 DPS, 5.7 Total in 77 games
Martin this year – 0.7 Offensive PS, 2.0 Defensive PS, 2.7 Total in 49 games. Would be on pace for 4.2 in 77 games, although he has picked up most of his point shares in the last 20 or so games from observation on my end.
Peak PS – 2.0 OPS, 6.1 DPS, 8.1 total in 07-08
Michalek last year – 0.8 OPS, 3.6 DPS, 4.4 total in 73 games
Michalek this year – -0.1 OPS, 0.7 DPS, 0.6 total in 36 games. Would be on pace for 1.2 in 73 games.
Peak PS – 0.4 OPS, 4.5 DPS, 4.9 total in 07-08
A few defenseman for comparison: Orpik peak 4.5 total in 09-10, Letang 9.8 total in 10-11, Lidstrom has averaged around 10 total per year, with a peak of 14.4 in 07-08, Chara averaged about 10 the last 4 seasons, Bobby Orr holds the record with 22.9 total in 70-71.
So if you buy into that at all, they’re both having worse years this year, Michalek especially so.
it just seems to happen more frequently with Martin and Michalek.
right, but that’s because of them playing vs the other teams best players. If they’re doing that vs the Jody Shelley’s and Colton Orr’s then we’d have a real problem on our hands.
That may be.. but they were the “shutdown pair” last season as well and I didn’t notice this problem. Also, Orpik and Letang see their share of ice time against the top lines.
Also.. this wasn’t happening when Hal Gill and Rob Scuderi were the shutdown pair (at about 1/5th the price of Martin and Michalek)
by SidgeniMalsby on Feb 15, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Your final point is moot, because now Gill and Scuds are the same price. That’s why they left Pittsburgh.
I think it’s still valid- fan sentiment probably takes salary into account. A guy like Paul Martin at $5 million or Zbynek Michalek and his $4 million salary is going to get roasted over the coals a lot more by fans than Hal Gill at $1.5 million, or what have you.
The higher the price, the more the expectation.
(But let’s be real, if a player isn’t playing well, people gonna talk shit no matter how much his paycheck it).
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Gill: $2.25mil
Scuds: $3.4mil
Total: $5.65mil
Michalek: $4mil
Martin: $5mil
Total: $9mil
by SidgeniMalsby on Feb 15, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying we should get them back or anything. My point was we got drastically better defensive play from significantly cheaper players.
by SidgeniMalsby on Feb 15, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Eh. But you pay more for Martin and Z because they offer more. Gil and Scuds were strictly stay at home defenders. Z and Martin have puck moving and offensive abilities.
No argument.. just saying for that much more money the defense should be better than it has been.
I’m not trying to bash Michalek and Martin.. I was thrilled with the signings when they happened. I was quite content with their play last season.. I thought they were a great pair. But to this point this season they really haven’t been.. I hope they get it back, but right now they don’t have it.
by SidgeniMalsby on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
but they were the "shutdown pair" last season as well and I didn’t notice this problem.
and they didn’t nearly get enough credit for it. Letang and Orpik are the top pair for good reason.
Well if you go straight off QComp at 5 on 5:
Martin: .049
Michalek: .047
Letang: .039
Orpik: .017
So Martin/Michalek are still pretty much seeing top flight competition. (Well, up until recently, anyways).
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 15, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, i didn’t mean top pair as in shutdown pair. What’s crazy is looking at Michalek’s zone starts. He’s getting some premium O-zone starts, and I’m not sure how that makes sense. Seems to indicate lack of trust in the D-zone or a faith in his O-ability. Neither makes sense to me.
To me, the o-zone starts are just more a circumstance of the Pens usual domination in the o-zone. Fact is they just have a lot of O-zone starts. Obviously Bylsma’s not starting Michalek in the O-zone for offensive purposes, that’s just how the game shakes up with where they start on his turn to play.
"You come at the King, you best not miss."
I think salary is a very fair measure to compare performance to expectations. This is a $9M/yr. defense tandem we’re talking about here with plenty of experience. It is noteworthy they are playing top line minutes against the opposition’s best but they flat out both need to be better. Trading Martin really isn’t much of an option. Not sure too many teams are going to look at his contract as a plus when considering what to get in return. Granted he’d be the top guy in Columbus or NYI but not too many places otherwise.
No reason these 2 shouldn’t be, or shouldn’t be expected to be, top 4 defenseman. They need to step it up, now would be a good time…























